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    Here are some guidelines I found on the US FTC website that I thought might be useful for people here:

    The Federal Trade Commission cannot tell you whether a particular multilevel marketing plan is legal. Nor can it give you advice about whether to join such a plan. You must make that decision yourself. However, the FTC suggests that you use common sense, and consider these seven tips when you make your decision:

    Avoid any plan that includes commissions for recruiting additional distributors. It may be an illegal pyramid.

    Beware of plans that ask new distributors to purchase expensive inventory. These plans can collapse quickly -- and also may be thinly-disguised pyramids.

    Be cautious of plans that claim you will make money through continued growth of your "downline" -- the commissions on sales made by new distributors you recruit -- rather than through sales of products you make yourself.

    Beware of plans that claim to sell miracle products or promise enormous earnings. Just because a promoter of a plan makes a claim doesn't mean it's true! Ask the promoter of the plan to substantiate claims with hard evidence.

    Beware of shills -- "decoy" references paid by a plan's promoter to describe their fictional success in earning money through the plan.
    Don't pay or sign any contracts in an "opportunity meeting" or any other high-pressure situation. Insist on taking your time to think over a decision to join. Talk it over with your spouse, a knowledgeable friend, an accountant or lawyer.

    Do your homework! Check with your local Better Business Bureau and state Attorney General about any plan you're considering -- especially when the claims about the product or your potential earnings seem too good to be true.

    P.S. And in case somebody thinks I'm being hypocritical, I don't earn a penny for signing somebody up to sign up to the business opportunity in my sig.! Good luck everyone

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    Anyone here ever make any substancial sustained money in a 2 tier Affiliate network program?? With all the lame affiliate program directories out there you'd think someone could.

    Mike & Charlie ...

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    Substantial and continued success with a program that runs up to 15 levels deep.

    Surely I can't be the only one?

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    Also here's 3 more reasons too look for.

    1. does not require monthly expensive fees (more then $100 a month)

    2. More then $300 start up fee.

    3. does not buy back inventory

    Also to remind you if you work at a 9-5 job and are in a union, then you are working in a pyramid which mind be considered legal but is still a pyramid.

    goal: $5000 a month by 11/26
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    Hi Jason

    May I ask why you consider unionised employees to be operating in a pyramid, albeit a legal one? Is it because they are encouraged to recruit other employees, who will also be part of the union?

    Lance - yes you are one of the few The problem is that they are so many scamsters in MLM/network marketing (and affiliate programs). I too have had a lot of success with one network marketing business opportunity (the one in my sig.), but I had to check out 99 unscrupulous ones to find the one gem. It's all those 'get rich quick' scamsters who give the genuine network marketing opportunities a bad name - and that's why I posted the FTC guidelines.

    Lance, if the opportunity you've had success with is not gambling, porn, get rich quick, send me a link - wouldn't mind checking it out.

    Good luck...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Also here's 3 more reasons too look for.

    1. does not require monthly expensive fees (more then $100 a month)

    2. More then $300 start up fee.

    3. does not buy back inventory <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    1. monthly fee of $10 is no good if there is no comparable value in return.

    2. It depends on where the money go, even $10 start up, if this $10 go entirely to my sponsor.
    This become a recruiting business, not product selling business.

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    But see even here Azam, you are disingenuous. The site in your signature is your own site, with a link to http://cognigen.net - I imagine that is the site you are mentioning because it has to do with this conversation. So your success isn't with your program, but cognigen.

    You can tell MLMer's because they never give advice or suggestions for free.



    15 levels deep? How many people per level?

    Chet

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    I do the Cognigen thing too, and it has made me money, but you will NEVER find any hint of it in anything I post here (until now), or any way to even get to my site from here.

    I think we have all agreed in the past, that ABW is supposed to be MLM free.

    Posting the link to your Cognigen site in your signature is borderline SPAM as far as I am concerned. Nothing personal, it just prevents the whole place from becoming one big promo. We are all supposed to be professionals, and not in need of any selling by anyone else here. Maybe that's a little too idealistic? Also, starting a topic like this may be construed as getting folks in this thread to see your MLM site. As does the actual URL in your signature, as opposed to what we can see on the page (i.e. "bizop" and "banner").

    Nadeem, please don't take this as an attack on you persoanlly, MLM just a point of contention with some here, as is buying "opt-In lists.

    Fred

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    who will also be part of the union Pretty simple they are required to be a union member and have to pay a expensive start up fee, and pay monthly fees and the employer has to buy back unused inventory. that considers it a legal pryamid. Not all MLM networks are illegal but as long as I can make money and get checks I know it's not a scam.

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    The multi level with which I have success offer an affiliate program or a multi level, I decided to pay $100 to join the multi as the pay is the same however they also pay on levels, with clients now in the hundreds I have not however signed up anyone as I have no focus on that.

    I am busy selling their product which is a highly refined version of something you could buy at any mall or in almost any town, so there is a demand and they do not make you stock anything, they have web enable order forms, process, ship and track and send you your commission.

    I would dearly love to find others that do this, but you guys are right, it's near impossible to find another like it.

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    Fred - sorry, didn't post the guidelines here for any other reason but to inform people. I have been scammed numerous times myself and wanted to warn others.

    Chet - I have been a member of other wembaster messageboards for years and have significant amount of free advice. I have given away many tips on site promotion, design, construction etc. If anything, I am considering if I should be less giving of my secrets as I consider other webmasters to my friends rather than business rivals

    Chet, just last week, I had an immigrant from Serbia ring me up asking me for advice on setting up an internet business. He barely speaks English and has no money, but I have agreed to meet up with him for two hours to help him out, as he seems to be an ambitious and hard-working young man - the kind I admire. I will not earn one cent for the two hours of my time. And I am NOT going to recruit him to any of the companies I have an agent for. When I meet up with him in a few days I'm going to tell him, as I have done many internet novices, to chance their luck in another field, as making money on the net is extremely difficult. Just in the last week I've told at least three people to stay away from trying to make online, quoting the figure I read that 93% of people make a loss with their websites. How many other businessmen would be so honest? I could deceive people and hype up the potential to make money on the net, but I don't, as my religion does not allow me to defraud others. So I think it's unfair for you to put all MLMers in the same boat. Fair enough, I would be the first one to say that 98% are spammers, crooks, terrorists, murderers - well, maybe I'm being a bit extreme - but there are 2% who are genuine.

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