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    are SEOmoz or Wordtracker worth it?
    I'm coming across tons of cool and nifty tools to use when analyzing keywords and competition.

    Free SEOBOOK Toolbar
    Free SEOMOZ Toolbar
    SEO for Firefox
    Firefox SEOquake
    Google Adwords Keyword Tool

    Etc...

    I would ad SEOBOOK to the title, but $300 a month is a little pricy.

    I know SEOmox and Wordtracker are two different things.

    I'm wondering if SEOmoz is the better the better all around set of tools. Just wanted to get an idea of what you guys thought?

    and do you use any of the toolbars mentioned above?

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    SEOmoz has a good reputation.

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    You will find some suggestions in a similar thread here:

    http://www.abestweb.com/forums/searc...ox-140424.html

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    By all means - optimize, optimize and optimize some more. Then when Goog changes its algos you get to do it all over again. (That's what keeps the SEO guys going - chasing a moving target.)

    However, if you put that effort into creating good content and a "value add" experience for your readers then you need do it once. You get to keep building on that approach because the "target" moves far less.
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    I think those tools are useless now. Google is ever changing its first keyword for "Instant Search". I used to get 300 visitors per day from a single keyword say "XX Jeans Outlet" , It happened after the introduction of instant search, because Google showed results of "XX Jeans Outlet" when someone typed "XX Jeans". My traffic dropped overnight to just 20 visitors per day when Google changed first keyword from "XX Jeans Outlet" to "XX Jeans Shop".
    I use Google to determine which keywords should be getting traffic, and mostly I'm right. But after sometime Google changes the first keywords and traffic goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabz View Post
    I think those tools are useless now. Google is ever changing its first keyword for "Instant Search". I used to get 300 visitors per day from a single keyword say "XX Jeans Outlet" , It happened after the introduction of instant search, because Google showed results of "XX Jeans Outlet" when someone typed "XX Jeans". My traffic dropped overnight to just 20 visitors per day when Google changed first keyword from "XX Jeans Outlet" to "XX Jeans Shop".
    I use Google to determine which keywords should be getting traffic, and mostly I'm right. But after sometime Google changes the first keywords and traffic goes away.
    That's really interesting and maybe a metric we should optimize for. Thanks for sharing.

    I often watch the Whiteboard Friday videos on SEOmoz.

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    If you have the time to devote to improving your SEO, I would recommend trying SEOmoz. They have a great set of tools and are not too pricey (I think they have a $99/mo plan). They are an industry leader in SEO for small/medium sized businesses and their content is top-notch.

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    In superCool's opinion most of these tools would be a distraction for someone just getting started. Don't get dragged into this stuff too deeply until you have some of your own results to look at. Bill made some good points (as usual)

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    I understand not wanting to get overwhelmed with tools and data. However, I do think it's good practice to determine if a niche is worth entering into or not. I mean, time is a very, very valuable thing.

    I'm thinking that paying for a service when starting out might be the wrong answer though. I mean, I would be lucky to start out of the gate making $99 a month... I surely don't want my only profits going towards a tool this early in the game.

    I think the free services give me enough information to build upon. like:

    1. Search Volume
    2. Search Competition
    3. Competition Strength

    and so on....

    I'm liking SEOmoz though, and will probably utilize there free stuff and make a $$$ decision at a later date.

    Thanks for the input!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andymisiu View Post
    I understand not wanting to get overwhelmed with tools and data. However, I do think it's good practice to determine if a niche is worth entering into or not. I mean, time is a very, very valuable thing.
    In the past three days we entered two different niches and used NONE of those tools. Why? Because we listen, we read, we watch what others are doing. We follow trends, listen to radio advertising, TV advertising and listen to our kids.

    Don't become a slave to third party applications when you have logic, common sense and hopefully, all your five senses.

    "Don't need no stinkin programs"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Convergence View Post
    In the past three days we entered two different niches and used NONE of those tools. Why? Because we listen, we read, we watch what others are doing. We follow trends, listen to radio advertising, TV advertising and listen to our kids.

    Don't become a slave to third party applications when you have logic, common sense and hopefully, all your five senses.

    "Don't need no stinkin programs"...
    HaHa... right. No stinkin programs. I think 95% of the Affiliate Marketing Industry is selling Affiliate Marketing advice, tools, programs, subscriptions, opinions and so on to new Affiliate Marketers.

    The internet is a very disingenuous place.

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    All research aside, what niche would you "like" to do? That is usually a good place to get your feet wet. Forget finding the holy grail for now but, by all means, get started on something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    All research aside, what niche would you "like" to do? That is usually a good place to get your feet wet. Forget finding the holy grail for now but, by all means, get started on something.
    Yea, I found a niche related to my favorite sports team. So, I'll start there and learn some of the ropes.

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    I think 95% of the Affiliate Marketing Industry is selling Affiliate Marketing advice, tools, programs, subscriptions, opinions and so on to new Affiliate Marketers
    On the flip side, you just found the remaining 5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convergence View Post
    In the past three days we entered two different niches and used NONE of those tools. Why? Because we listen, we read, we watch what others are doing. We follow trends, listen to radio advertising, TV advertising and listen to our kids.

    Don't become a slave to third party applications when you have logic, common sense and hopefully, all your five senses.

    "Don't need no stinkin programs"...
    "some tools can substitute for other tools, either as a makeshift solution or as a matter of practical efficiency. "One tool does it all" is a motto of some importance for workers who cannot practically carry every specialized tool to the location of every work task"

    Tool - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    With that being quoted, I recommend SEOmoz as I did earlier to you in another thread. SEOmoz will save you heaps of time.. Turning a 3 day project for 2 different niche's into a 1 day project at the most.

    You have to determine that the amount of time saved vs the amount of time spent by you on such projects are worth it. Figure out how much you are worth (Or your team). If you are starting out, and don't have much capital to invest then you can make do without such tools at first.. That is if you have SEO down to a science. When first starting out, you are bound to make mistakes, it's in the process of learning. SEOmoz will help you identify these mistakes effectively and promptly.

    I don't have kids.. but they would know the trends for their age range.. I advertise via radio(XM) but listen to pandora(I upgraded so I don't hear advertisements XD).. I don't advertise via T.V. and let alone watch it (History Channel If Anything).. Following Trends is important! but those can be found very easily just reading news headlines or browsing through PRweb and the like.

    Google just changed allot of stuff for SEO, so keep on top of their blog on those changes.. SEOmoz has a great user generated content SEO blog that you can read up on for SEO ideas & help. You can actually pay for your subscription by earning enough points via interacting with the blogs and writing your own blogs.

    I don't mean to put them on the pedestal but they are pretty much the industry standard when it comes down to it.

    Edit: I only use a few tools to help with my day to day work. SEOmoz helped me cut out 3 of them.. The others I use of coarse are tools from google such as Analytics, Adwords, Webmaster, Gmail, Google Docs.. ect.. I work under my company as our Affiliate Manager and SEO specialist. I can do so because of great tools! it saves our company money by not having to hire dedicated teams or employees.
    Last edited by fillmore; March 23rd, 2012 at 03:30 PM. Reason: Added a few things

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    Thanks fillmore! great writeup. Thanks for putting that much time into a response, says a lot about the true feeling behind your post. I appreciate it.

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    Of coarse! I first saw this post when you posted it.. I just didn't want to be the first one replying and recommending the same thing as I did in another post.. But hey you are doing what we said and that is research! You are on the right track!!

    All of us here will have different opinions about different things though! so keep that in mind and don't make any decision unless it is what you think is right for you! A Roulette dealer once told me after I asked her what numbers I should play.. "Follow your heart and you will never be wrong" haha

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    Thought I would give an update to my decision today. AND... I've decided to give SEOmoz a try. I want to learn about SEO as much as I want to start affiliate marketing.

    After looking at:

    SEObook toolbar
    SEO for Firefox
    SEOquake toolbar
    SEOmoz toolbar
    Rank Checker

    I've decided on SEOmoz, because... it gave me the information the way I wanted it in a way that I could wrap my head around. I'm big on UI and they have the best.

    Plus, like most of you have said... just do it! and that's what I want to do. So by joining SEOmoz, I get all the information, tutorials, lessons, tools and so on in one easy to manage place. A free 30 day trial and if I like it... $99 a month. I look at it as paying for an education, so that's not bad.

    Also, they allow you to run campaigns, so they guide you through the SEO of your sites. That's going to be a great tool for staring my first few marketing sites.

    I'll let you know how things go! happy marketing!
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    congrats! good luck with it

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    Good decision! Yeah you get 5 campaigns! for in depth tracking and reports. White board fridays are a must! you can get SEO down within these next 30 days! plenty of stuff to read up on. Be active with commenting and asking questions on the blog posts and you will build up points! like I said you can actually pay for your subscription by doing so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andymisiu View Post
    I'm coming across tons of cool and nifty tools to use when analyzing keywords and competition.

    Free SEOBOOK Toolbar
    Free SEOMOZ Toolbar
    SEO for Firefox
    Firefox SEOquake
    Google Adwords Keyword Tool

    Etc...

    I would ad SEOBOOK to the title, but $300 a month is a little pricy.

    I know SEOmox and Wordtracker are two different things.

    I'm wondering if SEOmoz is the better the better all around set of tools. Just wanted to get an idea of what you guys thought?

    and do you use any of the toolbars mentioned above?

    SEOMOZ is great. The tools are fantastic for looking at your own site with suggestions on what needs to be improved. SEOMOZ also lets you do competitive analysts by checking their backlinks, website titles / meta tags that are used by the competition.

    Their customer support has also been amazing when we had issues. It was taken care of promptly and the CEO also got involved to make sure we were happy with the outcome.

    Highly recommended.

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    I would like to update my experience with SEOmoz

    They have a great beginners guide to SEO, which is accessible to anyone. I really enjoy the White Board Friday video tips, insights and guides.

    The tools are pretty cool... although I haven't had the chance to really utilize them.

    I think the real benefit may be in the campaign management. This is where you get your website crawled once a week by SEOmoz and they will give you tips based on problem area's.

    Accessing the same data from other sources? I'll have to see if Google Webmaster Tools will offer the same type of error reports to fix issues.

    I know that SEOmoz allows you to create really nice reports for clients if you're an SEO company...but for an individual affiliate marketer... I'll need to keep working with it during my experience.

    More reports to come.

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    In my oponion,you can use the seomoz's free service.There are lots of free toosl in their website.And you can study seo by basic learning,and then move to next step and learn some professional guide on seo and link building

    One of the best basic seo guide that many people recommend is :
    SEO: The Free Beginner?s Guide From SEOmoz

    You may download it and look at it again and again,until you master everying in that ebook.
    Last edited by teezone; April 15th, 2012 at 11:50 PM. Reason: link removed - pls read forum rules

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    how's this going anymisiu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    By all means - optimize, optimize and optimize some more. Then when Goog changes its algos you get to do it all over again. (That's what keeps the SEO guys going - chasing a moving target.)

    However, if you put that effort into creating good content and a "value add" experience for your readers then you need do it once. You get to keep building on that approach because the "target" moves far less.
    But moves nevertheless..plus, SEO is about content just as much as it is about "optimize, optimize, optimize", because it can help you create relevant and rich content, with the plus that it goes hand in hand with the search engines requirements

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