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    Barack Obama is Reelected!!
    Fridays are slow on the forum, affiliates are counting their millions and merchants are busy recruiting. Going to start two threads on the upcoming election. Vote here if you support Barack Obama.

    Post your comments and opinions on Barack Obama. Remember we are all friends here so no name calling, let's keep the debate civil.

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    I voted for Obama in the last election because I did not believe in John McCain who I saw as a continuation of the Bush administration. I call myself a Liberal Republican which is an oxymoron (according to Rush Limbaugh). I believe in a strong defense, investment in education, working on social issues and improving the U.S. image on the world stage. That said I don't like the run away spending and political finger pointing that is part of the Obama persona.

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    I didn't vote for him. Had friends who did, believed in his "Hope and Change" (or whatever the moniker was). I won't repeat what they say about his Hope and Change now. Would consider myself a conservative Republican. Less govt. involvement the better.

    We have to get the two parties to bend some and put the nation's interest above parties interest. This has really turned me off, all the bickering and in the end, nothing gets done and they blame "the other guys".

    I honestly don't care if Obama is cool with same sex marriage, nor do I care what anyone else's opinion on it is. It has nothing to do with running our nation. Let's get busy with trimming the deficit (among other things).

    I'm more than willing to pay my fair share of taxes, but when 51% of the inhabitants of our nation take some form of government assistance ( heard that number on a TV show), I cringe when I see someone driving a Lincoln Escalade, park in a handicapped spot, and then use their food stamps to buy groceries. Doesn't seem right.

    Man oh man did I get off topic, sorry.

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    Nope you are on topic. I am not a fan of entitlements and would like to see the tax codes more fair. I believe in a flat tax so its fair across the board. I don't believe Obama or the Democrats are going to be able to get more taxes from those over $1M (or whatever level they are currently talking about). There is too much control of Washington by big money, the only way to get around that is if the little guys band together. But that ain't going to happen because even with the recession there are too many who don't vote and are oblivious to politics.

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    Is Obama personally responsible for the recession and the state of the economy?

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    I don't think that blaming obama is correct No one has right to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachcom View Post
    .. but when 51% of the inhabitants of our nation take some form of government assistance ( heard that number on a TV show), I cringe when I see someone driving a Lincoln Escalade, park in a handicapped spot, and then use their food stamps to buy groceries. Doesn't seem right.
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    1. Is that 51% really accurate? I personally wouldn't pass that along without finding out for sure.

    2. Have you REALLY seen "someone driving a Lincoln Escalade, park in a handicapped spot, and then use their food stamps to buy groceries," or is that just hyperbole?

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    Its been my opinion that Obama Care will lower the cost of medical care over time. If more of the lower class were able to get access to health care it will cut down on the indigent care that is paid by the hospitals and billed back in cost to those of us who are insured. Obama Care is touted as destroying our economy but to my understanding it doesn't take effect until 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by writerguy View Post
    2. Have you REALLY seen "someone driving a Lincoln Escalade, park in a handicapped spot, and then use their food stamps to buy groceries," or is that just hyperbole?
    Come visit the Walmart in our little town during the first week of the month. You WILL see EXACTLY that, with one exception: They are Cadillac Escalades...
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    Obama inherited the mortgage crash from the previous administrations including Clinton. Personally I would have not bailed out the banks or the car makers but feared that by not doing so we could have plunged into a depression.

    I would like to see a comparison of how the US fared since 2006 with Germany, Japan and China. Anyone want America Revealed: "Made in the USA" on PBS earlier this month? Some rather strong numbers put forward that productivity and profitability for US manufacturing is higher than any time in history. They state that manufacturers are starting to bring business back to the states after off-shoring. Wondering why the Obama machine isn't using numbers like this?

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    Come visit the Walmart in our little town during the first week of the month. You WILL see EXACTLY that, with one exception: They are Cadillac Escalades...
    How about some pictures next month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Hamrick View Post
    How about some pictures next month?
    I try to stay away during that time. But you are welcome to pop in from Park City next time you drive through Colorado...

    I-80
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    Take your pictures, have a beverage or two with me, then hit I-76, 225, and continue on I25S...
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    My wife complains that the Wal-mart in Park City it too small, she is used to the one in Fort Collins north of town. So extrapolating your comment I would expect that Wal-mart is a huge contributor to Obama as they make money on the sales and the check cashing fees. I am surprised that they don't start adding payday loans as they certainly added a tax preparation kiosk to get all those tax return checks from the rest of the demographic.

    Not back to Colorado until the 9th and will see if I can swing by on my way back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Hamrick View Post
    So extrapolating your comment I would expect that Wal-mart is a huge contributor to Obama as they make money on the sales and the check cashing fees.
    How would you come to that conclusion?

    Government programs such as food stamps are on the State level, and one needs to have a job to have a check to cash. Think I heard here in Colorado that Unemployment payments and Food Assistance programs, ie: Food Stamps, are all done on special Government debit cards - therefore, no check cashing.

    I'm sure Walmart contributes to both parties - but would tend to think they lean more to the 'non-union' side of things...
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    Chuck was clearly joking. In fact, over the years, Walmart and the Walton family have given a fortune to right wing political candidates and PACs, and a small amount to blue-dog Democratic politicians. This year, the latest records show close to $1M to gop Presidential support committees and 0 to democratic groups. No record can be found of the fanatically non-union and anti-union Walmart making contributions to any union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffiliateHound View Post
    Chuck was clearly joking.
    Little nuances do get lost in print...
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    If Wal-mart gains from food stamps and government assistance checks wouldn't they want to support Obama? I realize they are a conservative company and anti-union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Hamrick View Post
    If Wal-mart gains from food stamps and government assistance checks wouldn't they want to support Obama?
    Think they'd gain MORE if everyone had a job and a paycheck...
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    Good point!

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    No one has the right to blame Obama, ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by socialtraffic View Post
    No one has the right to blame Obama, ok?
    On the contrary. It's within our rights as American citizens. MAY not be correct in doing so, but it IS within our rights...
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    Well, the FACTS are that the greatest increase in the number of people receiving food stamps in US history occurred during the presidency of g w bush, and since Obama took office, the number of additional people receiving food stamps has steadily gone down each month.

    A few interesting additional facts compiled by the US Dept of Agriculture:
    64% of food stamp recipients are under 17 or over 60 and an additional 20% are non-elderly disabled people
    The average net monthly income per food stamp household is $336
    36% of participants are White; 22% are African-American; 10% are Hispanic; 2% are Asian, 4% are Native American, and 19% are of unknown race or ethnicity.

    Also a key fact from a Government Accountability Office study of Fraud and Abuse in the Food Stamp Program:
    4.36% of food stamps benefits were found to be overpaid, and an analysis found that two-thirds of all improper payments were the fault of the caseworker, not the recipient.
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    Problem is that information is not evident and should be pushed via the Obama campaign. So the general listener gets only disinformation and its treated like Obama is heading a nanny state. On my post #10, that information will paint a picture similar to this one that is positive to his reelection and I hope that he can put that forth.

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    There are two primary reasons why Americans are so uninformed about the accomplishments of the Obama administration. The first is the failure of the administration to inform the people of what they have accomplished in so many areas. The other is the massive campaign of lies and deceit propagated by the gop and their propaganda arm, fox "news".

    A prime example is the Affordable Care Act, derogatorily referred to by such entitles as "Obamacare". People are totally ignorant of what was accomplished in this vital reform act, and assume that lies about "government takeovers" and horrendous costs are true.

    Some of the REAL Benefits:

    The first 30-35% of all health insurance premiums is taken as profit by health insurance carries. Under the Affordable Care Act, an 80/20 rule has been imposed. Carriers can now take no more than 20% of premiums for profits and costs - 80% must be spent on actual health care. AND carriers are REQUIRED by the Affordable Care Act to return, by way of cash payments or reduced premiums, everything they took from you in excess if that 20%, and pay it back by August 1, 2012. Thus, and unknown to virtually all Americans, all of us who have health insurance, will be receiving substantial refund checks or premium reductions, in the next two months - UNLESS the conservative US Supreme Court strikes down the Affordable Care Act before then.

    Health Insurance carriers no longer are allowed to cancel coverage because the insured person got sick and actually has to use their coverage.
    Health Insurance carriers no longer are allowed to deny coverage to children due to pre-existing conditions. In 2014, this will apply to all AMericans, not just children.
    Health Insurance carriers are now required to keep kids on their parents’ plans until age 26.
    Health Insurance carriers can no longer enforce lifetime policy limits.
    Health Insurance carriers can no longer require prior approval before seeking emergency room services from a provider or hospital outside a plan’s “network”, and they cannot require higher copayments or co-insurance for out-of-network emergency room services.
    Health Insurance carriers can no longer cancel coverage retroactively for insignificant, honest mistakes – to impose a retroactive cancellation, they must prove fraud.
    Health Insurance carrier now must abide by an external appeal to an independent reviewer when requested, when they have denied payment for a test or treatment.
    Many, many health services provided through Medicare for seniors are now required to be provided free of any prior copay requirements.

    COSTS:

    Right wing propaganda continually refers to the cost of implementation of much of the Affordable Care Act, but NEVER includes the fact that the savings it will produce in many areas will not only offset such costs, but provide a net savings over the long term. The Affordable Care Act will reduce the deficit, will provide tax savings to small businesses, reduce the cost of Medicare, and reduce the cost of health insurance premiums for businesses and privately insured individuals and self-employed (such as so many affiliate marketers).

    Finally, the Mandate:

    The major element of the Affordable Care Act that is used to disparage the entire act, is the individual mandate that requires all Americans to carry health insurance. This is the element for which President Obama is most criticized, and where the administration response has most critically failed to provide needed information.

    The facts are that this is NOT an Obama idea, and it is not even a Democratic Party idea. The element of a mandate requiring everyone to pay for health insurance was formulated by republicans and put forth as a conservative plan time and time again, with its earliest beginnings with the Richard Nixon administration.

    The modern mandate plan was formulated by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989, and was the cornerstone of gop-sponsored Senate bills introduced in 1993. Such staunch anti-mandate republicans as Senators Orrin Hatch and Charles Grassley were supporters of the mandate back then. The mandate became an even more prominant element of gop-proposed health care reform when it became a central element of the republican response to the Hillary Clinton health care reform plan. At that time, its most vocal proponent was Sen. Bob Dole, who became the gop presidential nominee in 1996.

    Of course, a mandate was part and parcel of the Mitt Romney health care reform passed in Mass when he was governor, and which has been tremendously successful and which gives Mass the highest percentage of insured citizens of any state. All Romney can say now about it is that it should be up to each state to decide, and not be imposed by the Federal government.

    The mandate only became a bad thing, a very, very bad thing, when proposed by a Democratic president.
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    Should Obama send US troops to Syria? I heard on the radio that he wants to follow the lead of the United Nations. Russia said that is not going to happen so looks like a weak way out.

    I would rather see us follow the lead of NATO as we did with Libya a year ago?

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