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    Affiliate marketing thoughts
    I have been wondering lately about affiliate marketing in general and where I stand in it from different angles.

    ROI:
    What kind of ROI is there in affiliate marketing. And is the return proportionate with the time and effort. I think from the outside, it seems to be a great idea to be in, where with little investment one can build a website and start making money. No inventory, no returns, no customer support, but still make money. So the ROI must be phenomenal. But the reality as we know is quite different. To make really some good money, it may take years of time and effort working your a$$ off to get somewhere. And you may never get to a point where you can do it full time. Which begs the question, if you factor in all the time you put into before you make some money, is it(the time spent) well worth it.

    SCALABILITY:
    That brings up my 2nd thought. If you are lucky enough to start making some money, is this(affiliate mktg) business scalable. Can you take the success of your first site and scale it up.

    I have found it really difficult. If you succeed in a certain niche, you can only grow in that niche so much. If you want to scale up, there is no real path. So you start looking for another niche and start from scratch with your 2nd niche on a new website with ZERO traffic. So I think niche marketing isn't scalable. And you spend many month before you know if the 2nd niche site will work or not. As a result you end up with two sites. You probably neglect your first site which may suffer due to the lack of attention and the cycle goes on.

    IS IT SELLABLE:

    Let's say you did everything right and you are making good money and you do it full time . But you can't keep doing it for ever. Can you sell your business (not your site or domain name, but your business as a whole). Very few affiliate marketing businesses get bought or sold. I know of just a few few big coupon and deal sites that were bought.

    Well, that was enough for a Monday afternoon rambling. Would like to know about your thoughts. It was all in the backdrop of recent news about 14 year olds writing apps that gets sold for millions or a teenager who started selling imported goods from China and now have yearly revenue worth $200mil.

    Many of us here are very smart and very technical and work their ass off making a living. My one-liner question instead of this whole rambling would have been

    ' ARE WE ALL WORKING HARDER AND NOT SMARTER?'

    Can this same amount work bring better result elsewhere.
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    Can't imagine doing anything else.

    Everyday realize how much there is for growth potential.

    ALWAYS refining to work smarter and not harder.

    Maybe someday I'll sell - or pass it down. Last week my oldest announced she was getting into affiliate marketing.

    Right now am only limited by my focus and efforts...
    Salty kisses, Sandy toes, and a Pirate's heart...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convergence View Post
    Can't imagine doing anything else.
    But my wife wants me to get a job
    You must climb this mountain. There is no elevator. ---- Don't stick your finger in the liquid nitrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witzer View Post

    But my wife wants me to get a job
    Put HER to work...
    Salty kisses, Sandy toes, and a Pirate's heart...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witzer View Post

    But my wife wants me to get a job
    For three decades I was gone pretty much 7:30 am to 7:30 pm. MrsHound actually likes having me home. I can't imagine fighting the traffic like I used to do for three or more hours per day.
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    sam_park, the success of one site, I have found, is extremely difficult to duplicate. Some of my sites do well, others have been major disappointments - they seemed just as well done, informative, and primed to succeed, but, for whatever reasons, have not done as well as others.

    But one thing for sure, had I to do it over again, I would limit myself to a very small number of sites. I firmly believe that the biggest single mistake I have made is developing too many sites. I guess it's too many GREAT IDEAS and a lack of patience, taking the time needed to make site number 15 a success before trying again with site number 16, which of course, IS THE GREATEST IDEA FOR A SITE, EVER!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Kaufman aka AffiliateHound View Post
    I firmly believe that the biggest single mistake I have made is developing too many sites. I guess it's too many GREAT IDEAS and a lack of patience, taking the time needed to make site number 15 a success before trying again with site number 16, which of course, IS THE GREATEST IDEA FOR A SITE, EVER!
    Yep, that's exactly my experience too. Too many sites become a distraction. But too few niche sites however successful they may be, can't be scaled up after a certain point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convergence View Post
    Put HER to work...
    Totally agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convergence View Post
    Can't imagine doing anything else.
    Honestly, I can understand that feeling because I used to think that way too...

    In my past life when I was an electronic technician, I also thought that I can't imagine myself doing anything else but working in electronics, but when the on the late 90's on my line of work, and I discovered affiliate marketing, my imagination had to imagine new ways to make money...


    I don't know you, you don't know me... but today (2014) I can tell you this...

    Never say "Can't imagine doing anything else" (beside Affiliate Marketing.) unless you work for G. or pay G. to list your sites on the first page...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_park View Post
    I have been wondering lately about affiliate marketing in general and where I stand in it from different angles.

    ROI:
    What kind of ROI is there in affiliate marketing. And is the return proportionate with the time and effort. I think from the outside, it seems to be a great idea to be in, where with little investment one can build a website and start making money. No inventory, no returns, no customer support, but still make money. So the ROI must be phenomenal. But the reality as we know is quite different. To make really some good money, it may take years of time and effort working your a$$ off to get somewhere. And you may never get to a point where you can do it full time. Which begs the question, if you factor in all the time you put into before you make some money, is it(the time spent) well worth it.
    The time spent is really worth it if you have a passion for it and have the time to see it grow up...

    If you have spare money to gamble on this business you can make a killing fast, but you can also crash and burn and be broke faster than in a casino, specially if the SE you decide to pay don't give you a decent "ROI"

    -----------------------------------------

    To me, before the 2005 hurricane Katrina this was a good business...

    But, after the 2005 hurricane Katrina and a bad choice of joining new places, the time I took from my original sites to make room for new merchants took a toll on my earning, and soon afer that, there came the F.G. with their new algo to F. thing up...

    And while the good, honest and ethical sites got screwed by the new do no evil (hypocrite bully SE). the bad guys keep on making money by scrapping and etc bad ways of doing business...


    Btw, while G.have keep $69 from my old AS account for over five years (They can keep it.), I have never pay a single penny to advertise any of my sites on any SE...

    So my only ROI lost since the late 90's have been on time wasted, not money... (Yes, I know that time is money but...)

    At the end... I like this song:

    Frank Sinatra, My Way, With Lyrics



    Another BTW: F.G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_park View Post
    Affiliate marketing thoughts

    I have been wondering lately about affiliate marketing in general and where I stand in it from different angles.
    If after three days (72 hrs) since you opened this thread on ABW, and after over 257 views you don't have that many (if any) - (Affiliate marketing thoughts) replies on this thread...

    What would you think by now?


    "Can this same amount work bring better result elsewhere."

    "Can't imagine doing anything else."

    "My Way"

    Or just:

    Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy


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    Mr. Sal, I didn't expect a lot of responses either. Affiliate Marketers including myself don't like to discuss certain things in public. My questions about ROI, scalability etc don't get discussed much here.

    I was just having one of those 'bad affiliate marketing days', I guess. I am glad I don't do it full time. It wd be too stressful.

    Next time I start a thread I will post a couple of youtube videos first. May be that will help get it some traction :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_park View Post
    Next time I start a thread I will post a couple of youtube videos first. May be that will help get it some traction :-)
    Now you're going to get my full wrath...

    But, in the words of BurgerBoy Sig:
    Give me a minute before I post again.


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    First: You should know me by now, so don't call me Mr.

    Second: If you already knew that we, (you and me) would not like to discuss certain things in public, then what are you asking for that info, here?

    Third: If you think you're the only one suffering from (BAMD) 'bad affiliate marketing days', think again...

    Without me mentioning the devil by his name, I am just going to say that the first five words on your sig is the one of the main issues why you and I are posting on this thread...

    FG!

    Fourth: Whether you like it or not, it's true (that's life), a video or a song will always make things last longer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sal View Post
    Second: If you already knew that we, (you and me) would not like to discuss certain things in public, then what are you asking for that info, here?
    I wasn't asking for any info. Just tried to start a discussion on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sal View Post
    FG!
    You definitely beat my sig there, in the dept. of brevity.

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    Sam, I think it was a great post, I just saw it, I've been on a 3 week vacation, first day back in the "office". So that kindof leads into the lifestyle thing, it can't be beat...

    If you want to sell your business many years down the road for big bucks, you have to start planning now.

    In order to make the sale, you should try to have employees, probably in a real office. The reason is simple, investors don't want to spend millions of dollars on a single person who can get hit by a bus or check out mentally and cause the implosion of their investment. So you need an established process and the ability to go on a 6 month vacation with everything still functioning at top speed...

    If you are looking for the big exit, you also need to establish lots and lots of repeat website visitors. This means building a brand and becoming the "go to" resource for a segment of the population. I think a lot of us, myself included, start with the affiliate marketing angle and then think about the website. It is probably better to give greater thought to the website concept with how you are going to monetize it in the back of your mind, but not dominating the entire "discussion". We all need to think about our visitors first, what they want, what will turn them into repeats, what will make them tell their friends, etc.

    That's not to say that you can't sell a network of evergreen websites on aged domains with a track record of reliable traffic. I'm kindof with Convergence, there are tons of ways to make money. We are only limited by time.
    Merchants, any data you provide to Google Shopping should also be in your affiliate network datafeed. More data means more sales!


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