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    For those who use or have used Refer-A-Friend programs, which one's are your favorites? Also, what are some of the features you look for when choosing a RAF program? We here at Focalex are looking to upgrade our RAF program and would love some feedback from webmasters. Thanks!

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    For you guys, I would suggest one that lets you accuse people of fraud and then not tell them until months later so you can take their traffic and then not pay them.

    That way it would fit in with your other programs.

    Chet

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    Hi Chez,

    We're sorry that you had a bad experience with us; you pointed out a flaw with a new protocol, and we fixed it. We thanked you for pointing it out, apologized, and we paid you for all the signups you generated.

    I know you hold a grudge against us, but I don't know what else you want us to do. I am new to this board so I'm hoping you are ready to put this behind you and refrain from defaming the program or interfering with my posts.

    -Mike

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    Hi Mike,

    What I'd like to see in a TAF program is code for a text link for a popup simple form that can have 1 468X60 in it and a check box saying notify me other other related sites or offers (for that site category). I think that would be effective and not so overwhelming as what is out there now. I personally hate seeing all the focalex (no offense intended) popups with all the categories. Streamline it and move it to a more "sophisticated" level KWIM?

    Haiko

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    Of course you have to post here. Your Forums are closed. You had to close them. It made it too easy for your affiliates to see they were not the only ones being accused of fraud. That you regularly accused affiliates of fraud months after the supposed 'incidents' so they would have no proof and you would not have to pay them for months of traffic.

    Your company is dishonest and seems to use accusations of fraud as a way to cook the books for a short period of time. Now that you do not support a free exchange of expierences between your affiliates, I can only guess your fraud book keeping has gotten worse.

    I will not forgive you. You are the scum of all affiliate programs. You purposefully design and impliment your 'anti-fraud/costing cutting' measures to rip off affiliates.

    I cannot warn other affiliates enough. If you haven't been accused of fraud by Focalex, you either are not making enough money, or they are just waiting. I know some affiliates who did not threaten legal action and you still have not paid them. You are scum.

    Chet

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    Thank god you are upfront about it. I was going to contact this company, but forget it now! What a bunch of crooks....

    Why can't everyone play fair?

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    "Why can't everyone play fair?"
    Because companies like Focalex are surrounded by ..and feed off of.. Ad agencies -Brokers -List managers -e-mail con artists and shady opportunists of all flavors. It is the cesspool of Internet advertising where anything goes as long as a sucker advertiser is born every minute.

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    Chez Noir,

    There are a number of happy affiliate members with Focalex. And I am one of them!
    The bad part is that you usually do not here from happy affilates, it's usually only the unhappy ones that post. It is like this for almost any affiliate program. For example, Standard Internet...You either love them or hate them.

    The company (Focalex) is not perfect. They have been around a long time. They seem to have stat problems a little to often. But they do have a compensation policy for this. As well, sometimes the conversion ratio is really low for some sites. BUT, at .40 per subscriber I think it is a great program!

    I get my check every month [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    [ 05-12-2002: Message edited by: FWT ]

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    And do you ever wonder why they removed the mechanism for the affiliates to talk amongst themselves? What could they be hiding?

    I saw the slaughter of affiliates, I have emails from Nick. While I can only guess their reasons why - i saw and have proof of their actions.

    Even a ponzi scheme has some happy customers.

    Chet

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    >>And do you ever wonder why they removed the mechanism for the affiliates to talk amongst themselves?<<

    The forums were totally useless, IMO. Bunch of screamers, totally unprofessional -- I'd have shut it down, too. Whether the screamers had valid complaints or not is not the point -- they made for a lousy board.

    I've been with Focalex for 2-3 years now, I always get paid.

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    I wanted to post one final followup to this thread, to answer the concerns brought up here. It's original intention (to discuss RAF programs) was not met and I'd rather abandon it if it means putting an end to the mudslinging.

    Regarding our reputation, we don't feel the need to defend it personally. Chet is making wild accusations, and that is his right; however, we hope that the quality of our program stands on its own. By that, I mean that you should ask around. What have other people's experiences with Focalex been like? You want to get the opinion of
    many people, not just one person. Therein lies the most truth. We know that our reputation among our affiliates is positive because we talk to them every day.

    Next, regarding messageboards -- yes, we closed our message board forums. We simply could not administer them effectively. A messageboard (especially a webmaster message board) takes a lot of time and effort to maintain, as any message board administrator will tell you. We simply didn't have the time or resources to make it a great forum.
    Plus, it turned into a venting board for scammers.

    Chet, I don't think you want to put yourself in the company of the people who would vent on our old messageboards. These were typically scammers of the lowest degree -- generating fake Yahoo! mail names,
    FTP server scammers, things like that. These were *not* people with which you would want to be grouped, because they were in fact
    scammers. (Not all of them, mind you; we took the time to reply back to people with legitimate complaints.)

    I want to reiterate one other side note here -- Chet is *NOT* a scammer, as far as we are concerned. I also want to note that Chet was paid, for all his activity with Focalex.

    By the by, Chet, if you know of affiliates who had legitimate activity, but were not paid, please email them to us or have them
    contact us to review. We are not in the business of scamming affiliates out of money, despite what you may think.

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    Mike;
    Focalex is in the business of targeted e-mail marketing..right? I therefore assume your business can substancially profit from running your own camapigns as an affiliate for certain merchants who convert like TigerDirect. Do you do this and for which merchants?

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    I would love to give Focalex a co-branded page on a CPA deal and see what come out of it.

    Mike, what do you say? My last count you have close to 1/2 million names interested in computer hardware/spftware.

    I can have the creative ready for you in a week...

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    Hi Mike,

    I decided to give your program a shot. After reading through everything I could find hopefully I am in compliance. I have never in 2+ years been acused of any fraud so I don't expect it from you.

    Stats are starting to show up. Just a couple of questions. I show raw sign ups but nothing else yet. i assume that it means my visitors havent repplied to a conformation email or something. Is that correct? Also I am doing the pop behind. I show no stats for that but I think I read something about those being updated on Saturdays or something. I guess I'll have to wait and see how it all pans out.

    Another thing is that I put the coding on several pages and sites. I assume i am allowed to do that. I also added my different code in order to keep track of what pages were doing what. I can just add the page title or something for that true. Thanks for any feedback you can give.

    BTW-it would be nice if you stay a regular here to keep us informed as to what is going on. Thanks!

    [ 05-16-2002: Message edited by: GameBoy ]

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    Now it forces your site's visitors to refer 4 friends. Not one, not two, but FOUR.
    I'll drop focalex now and use a popup to generate signups for my own mailing list. Without strongarming anybody or forcing them to subject their friends to god-knows-what kind of spam.

    The notices in the member area aren't too promising either.
    Oops! Stats tracking offline last night!
    Oops! blah blah blah
    Oops! blah blah blah
    Come back tomorrow for the latest installment of "As The Stats Drop"

    Somebody in my neighborhood told me that he did the refer-a-friend thing to help me get the word out about my site. I know it's only one lead but that's one more than the zero in my stats.

    I've seen and heard enough.

    No thank you. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....

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    Well, I don't use the refer-a-friend program, but I've used the "subscribe for email about various topics" on my content site and I make about $25 a month. I don't use the pop-ups, just the embedded text. I put it up probably 2.5 years ago, maybe changed stuff once (for a code change) and have never looked at it again.

    I'll never get rich off of them, but no effort on my part and I always get paid -- it'll do.

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    Deelz, I did pull the tell-a-afriend link just for the fact that I never did much with those anywhere. Could be something to do with the fact that my sites suck and no one wants to tell a friend about it, lol.

    I am trying the doubel optin subscribe to newsletter lists and that looks like it might show some potential.

    As for the notices in the members area about stats being down or so on, thats one of the reasons I decided to try them. I like the fact that Mike posts when there are problems. Something maybe CJ could learn from. JMO-I'll have to wait and see how it goes. :eek:

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    quote:
    Could be something to do with the fact that my sites suck and no one wants to tell a friend about it, lol.

    Well I sure appreciate that comment! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
    No offense taken.
    Since you mention it though, "su#k" is actually the second word in the title of the site.
    (No, it's not porno or anything like that)
    It's a humor site, no aspirations of making large $$$, just doing it for fun.
    So I figure I'll use "tell-a-friend", "sign up for mailing list", etc. to promote it a bit. Offline word of mouth is already generating noticeable traffic.
    The more I think about it, the more I figure it's probably best to keep it all "in house".
    Time for Deelz to figure out that Javabascripto stuff.

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    Deelz, I wasn't insinuating anything about your site, I swear, lmao. Just talking about my sites.
    Im glad no offense was taken,

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    Only use a purchased script for a Refer-a-friend or greeting card program. Those which are offered as a online private labeled service are all run as fronts by spammers and e-mail list harvesters.

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    Gameboy - I know, just playing along [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    EcomCity - Happened across your site while surfing last night (don't worry, I won't post url here, I see that you chose not to)
    Wow! That's a pretty ambitious undertaking, I was really impressed.
    When that other guy was asking if anybody here makes $7,000+ per month, he must have been thinking about you. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Hi Gameboy,

    Thanks for trying out the program, please keep me updated on how it is working for you. All my contact information is in my sig, feel free to contact me anytime to talk about the program.

    It may be a little late (sorry, I'm going to try to make a better effort to come here daily) but here are the answers to the questions that have been brought up regarding Focalex.

    - Ours is a double opt-in email program where affiliates earn $0.40 on confirmed subscriptions to our lists. This means that the subscriber has to signup and confirm their subscription by simply replying to a confirmation letter sent to their email immediately upon signup for the affiliate to earn the $0.40 comission.

    - Our popunder pays $1.00 CPM for unique loads across the network. Stats are updated every Saturday for the previous week's loads and earnings.

    - We occassionally run into downtime just as any other program does. What makes us different is that we offer compensation for our downtime so that our affiliates don't pay for our problems. Deelz mentioned something about seeing too many downtime posts on our news page. I hope you would take the time to read into those posts and notice that much of that was due to system maintenance. During this period, signups and subscription tracking/recording were not affected, only stats updating. And once the maintenance was finished, all the signups generated during this maintenance period were posted right away when stats posting was turned back on. As usual, any affiliate who ever feels like they generated more signups than we post, should contact us and we'll look into it. But our stats system is very robust and much like HAL 9000, it has had a flawless operation record to date. That doesn't mean it can't falter though!

    - Deelz also mentioned something regarding our RAF forcing users to refer 4 friends. Not true. There are 4 email fields so you can refer UP TO 4 friends, but only one email address is required for a referal. We think we have a decent RAF program but, we know it needs to be improved which is why I started this post to begin with. Look out for something big coming for RAF from Focalex in the near future. That's all I'll say right now [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    - Andy from TigerDirect: While I only deal with our affiliate program, I know that we do a lot of affiliate work with other programs. Not sure how much CPA, mostly lead gen stuff. But I can't get into what I don't know. I'll have our Business Development department contact you and hopefully we can work together in some capacity.

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    Well, now...the pop-unders might just make me some money.

    hummm.....

    How does this work? Are they per unique visitor per day or something?

    I have several mini-sites on one domain that link together. If a visitor loaded the pop-under more than once or if I were working on the site and made it pop-under each time I took a peek, would you be thinking it was an attempt at fraud?

    [ 05-21-2002: Message edited by: SSanf ]

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    Hi Ssanf,

    The popunder can be loaded individually or in addition to our CPA popup form. The popunder pays $1 CPM for uniques loads across the network per week. This means that once a unique IP address has loaded the popunder, a week must pass before this IP can qualify as a unique load and earn you commission. For more details on our popunder program, visit our website. If you have any comment, questions, or concerns, feel free to contact me or simply reply on the board.

    Thanks,
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    Hmmm...I have a good idea of how many uniques per day I get but no idea how many uniques per week that is. I have to assume people do come back. They can't see the site in one trip by a long shot.

    I'll think about this. I have a great script for loading pop unders that I like a lot. Can I use my script with the url you give me or do I have to use your script?

    Another question. I don't see this in your terms of service. Do we have to maintain a certain click thru rate to get paid or is it strictly cost per thousand?

    [ 05-21-2002: Message edited by: SSanf ]

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