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    Aside from all legit USA ISP's needing to bann e-mail from Far East & china servers like Kornet.net and chinanet.com ..the following companies use their own servers to blast over 100 Billion spams for branding and lame e-mail merchant con games. If you spot some major Duperaffiliates and you have links to them on your sites your just adding fuel to the spam flame wars.
    The List of known spamming company domains.

    Domain Listed for Listing Date
    2clk.net SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    advertising.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    amazon.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    arcamax.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    bay9.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    bidbay.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    boldfish.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    bonus.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    caligari.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    cardmktplace.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    cheetahmail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    datamg.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    edirectnetwork.net SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    em5000.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    etracks.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    euniverse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    expedia.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ezsweeps.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    flonetwork.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    flowgo.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    freeservers.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    getresponse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    giantrewards.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    gozilla.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    greatlifetoday.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    grouplotto.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    huntingmail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    iexpect.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    ign.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    internet.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    iwin.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    kimo.com.tw SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    launch-media.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    leadgreed.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    lycos.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    macromedia.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    mp3.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    muffmail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    musicmatch.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    mypoints.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    nbci.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    neopets.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    netflip.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    oin3.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ombramarketing.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    opinionsurveys.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    opthost.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    opthost2.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    optinrealbig.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ourhouse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    peel.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    planetofmusic.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    pm0.net SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    postageshop.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    prospero.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ramibourse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ramibourse.fr SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    sitesmith.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    smallworld.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    snowball.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    sony.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    textmessenger.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    totale-mail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    winzip.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    worldpay.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    yesmail.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26

    No merchant on this list should be allowed on a major affiliate network if those networks had any ethics.

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    Where did you get that list from?

    I seriously doubt all of those are spammers...

    There's a difference between opt-in emails and spam... Just because someone uses their own servers to mail out a lot of emails doesn't necessarily mean they spam... (Several of the domains you've listed above belong to big mailinglist providers. If you were to regard any email coming from those as spam, you would have to regard A LOT of legitimate newsletter publisher's opt-in newsletters as spam as well. I'm sure some of those mailinglist providers have had a few spamming customers who abused their service, but that must be a small minority, considering the mailinglist providers themselves have set up deals with large email providers (like aol.com) to allow/process the incoming email quickly...)

    That's withot going into other, what I would call reputable companies you've listed in there, like Amazon.com and Advertising.com)

    I'm not saying that none of the sites on that list are spammers (I don't know), but the list seems "a bit" inaccurate to me [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    I've noticed that you've talked about "fronts for spammers" and "e-mail merchant con games" before, regarding companies I quietly disagreed would go under that description. I just felt the need to offer my opinion this time around [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    (Of course, I'm a little biased since I do a bit of email marketing (opt-in newsletter publishing that is). I don't see anything more "wrong" with legitimate email marketing than with optimizing "fronts for affiliate programs" pages for the search engines. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    winzip and sony???
    hmmm, well, ok then!

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    Everything Knut said [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Amazon.com is an opt-in one. I subscribe to it and have never considered it spam.

    However, major blue-chip companies DO sometimes buy spam lists, often lists they they assume are opt-in but have become infected with data from scrapers.

    I received scraper-collected spam from Sainsbury's (a major supermarket who also own Shaw's in the US), Freeserve (the UK's largest ISP) and Virgin Wines (a Richard Branson operation). All major blue-chip companies that had been conned into buying spam lists.

    To give them credit I *did* manage to successfully unsubscribe, but even blue chip companies can end up sending spam.

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    Major companies do run e-mail campaigns using list brokers who are hooked into the above companies for serving the HTML e-mails. Some also get enticed at prime selling seasons to use what's known a "pink slip" services where their name doesn't appear on any contract and they fund a broker to blast out mega millions of e-mail Ads. IBM -Chase Manhatten- Sony and others got caught using "pink slip" backdoors to spammers.

    The list above is a BANNED domain for receiving e-mails circulated to corporate virtual private networks. Basically 90% of the Fortune 1000 employees. Organizations like EDS, GM, Bank of America, Univ. of Michigan use this list and the blackhole list of overseas spammers to filter out abusive advertisers that drain their employees time reading & trashing them. Everyone of these companies have been reported multiple times to overwatch groups for spamming activities and they sell bandwidth/e-mail formating and list services to third parties. They didn't get on this list for being e-mail angels...nor did they take the steps to get off the list.

    Bluechip companies and the government with millions of Internet/Intranet connected computers only want time clock employees getting double opt-in newsletters- vendor Ads- subscription articles etc etc. They refuse to receive- mortgage refinance -Credit report -porno -FREEBEES -Travel Ads and work at home MLM offerings.

    [ 05-30-2002: Message edited by: EcomCity.com ]

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    You Guy's gotta lay off the Spam Bashing! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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    Mr. Magoo,

    That's kind of an incomplete statement to say we should stop the Spam Bashing. Care to explain why you feel that way? I get nearly 100 spam mails a day and it's getting to the point I can't find the important customer emails. How much is too much spam? Should I wait until I get 200 a day to complain? 300?

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    Spammers and those feeding them fresh e-mail addresses can all rot in the hot desert sun. Any idiot who pushes a button and blasts out 20 million e-mails hoping to make 25.00 should be horse whipped. Imagine the time lost bu those 10 million to get off his list and delete his spams. If a list isn't double opt-in verified it leaves to list owner subject to being labeled a spammer.

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    I've heard that some spammers are deceptive (aren't they all?) in that the button or link you click on to remove your name from their list automatically adds your email to another list. They know that if you took the time to read their email,you are a sucker for spam mail and a good candidate for spam mail in the future.

    Does anyone know if this is true?

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    It's rumoured that unsubscribing sometimes just does the opposite, but I have managed to unsubscribe from some of the brokers with "blue chip" clients - it's still spam using scraped email addresses though.

    Here's a new trick I've heard of - embedding certain images in an HTML message. Each image is unique to the one recipient, when you open your mail or even preview it in Outlook Express or similar, it loads the image off the remote server and that server makes a record and flags your email address as being "active", even though you didn't reply to the mail.

    Personally, I use Eudora with loading of HTML images OFF. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    7-Days,

    Most mail providers will allow you to filter your mail. This sends your Junk Mail to a Junk Mail Folder, simply empty that folder. Where is the waisted time there?

    I think a bigger waist of time is all this b****ing and moaning about spam. How much junk email do you receive in your mailbox outside of your house? Do you intend on prosecuting the mail man?

    I admit that there are a lot of people out there that do not email responsibly, but complaining about it isn't going to help!

    (If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!)
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    Keep up your efforts Mr. Magoo to justify your "rags to riches" via e-mail campaign and you'll see all 350 million internet enabled businesses and households hate spam. They are willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater to get control of their e-mail boxes back. Over 9,000 businesses pay EDS for the above server block list and other domain e-mail blockers to rid themselves of advertising. The rotten bad apple will kill off this industry, and only those with double opt-in email suscribers, with one click unsubscribe, will be acceptable to real consumers. The rest just think pooring 100 million flyers out of a cargo plane flying over NYC is effective advertising. It's litter plain and simple!

    [ 06-24-2002: Message edited by: EcomCity.com ]

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    Ecom,

    If people spent less than half of the time they spend complaining on hitting the DELETE button in their email account, The world would be a better place!

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    Magoo,

    I get over 2,000 emails a day and about 800 of them are SPAM ... I have no patience for it! I wanted to set up a service for responsible email marketing marketers (via respond to addy / removal service) and share the remove list amongst all the marketers (subscribers) so that they could stop wasting the bandwidth and pestering a "do not spam me" list ... I already have over 40MM names that don't want to be spammed (not from me hitting them!) and thought the service would be a good offering $29.95/year for unlimited @domain addys and full access to the "cleaning list" ... thoughts anyone?

    Haiko

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    Comparing spam to junk mail from the post office and saying just hit delete are arguments that refuse to accept reality.

    Believe it or not, there are still people out there who still:

    a) Pay by the hour for their internet connection, and
    b) Pay on a timed basis for their telephoe use, and
    c) Pay long distance charges (or other government surcharges) for their connection based on time.

    ANY spam has directly cost them money, without the time argument of sorting out garbage, protecting their kids' email boxes from porn spammers, etc.

    Junk mail from the PO would only be a good argument if it was routinely sent postage due (but even then it's a lot easier to sort real mail from junk mail).

    Besides which, I get a fair amount of junk mail from reputable companies - any company that spams (or hires spammers or allows their affiliates to spam) can automatically be considered to be anything BUT a reputable company.

    Honest, legitimate companies DO NOT engage in spamming, directly or indirectly.

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    Haiko,

    That is a very good plan. I know of several people that would get behind it. The price however is too low I think. I will hellp you market that if you are interested.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Haiko:
    I already have over 40MM names that don't want to be spammed (not from me hitting them!) and thought the service would be a good offering $29.95/year for unlimited @domain addys and full access to the "cleaning list" ... thoughts anyone?

    Haiko[/QB]


    Okay, a thought - think anybody out there might be interested in buying your do not spam me list as a great source of email addys to spam?

    Just pointing out a possible problem.

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    It is impossible to keep others honost. All we can do is try to be honost ourselves "just a though"

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    Jaybat,

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    Okay, a thought - think anybody out there might be interested in buying your do not spam me list as a great source of email addys to spam?

    Just pointing out a possible problem.



    It is a problem! - That is why I wanted to offer the service! so that people could opt out of mailings and mailers could clean their lists against the DND list of the ethicals.

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    Magoo,

    It is not set up to make money ... only as another real service to ethical marketers.

    Haiko

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    >It is a problem! - That is why I wanted to offer the service! so that people could opt out of mailings and mailers could clean their lists against the DND list of the ethicals.

    Maybe I misunderstood you, but I think more likely to make it work right would take a lot more work than you're planning on.
    For it to work, YOU would have to manage all the mailing lists, YOU would have to handle all the sub/unsubs.
    Personally, I wouldn't trust any of the internet email marketers to do the right thing with your list.
    Once your do-not-spam list got out of your fingers, there's no doubt in my mind it would turn against you - even if you personally trusted everybody you released the list to, at some point a soon-to-be-ex-employee (or just a greedy one) will see some money to be made.
    This is possibly a great fulltime business to run - a *real* opt-in/out email service, supporting many advertisers/marketers - but it has to have the Haiko Seal of Approval for it to be trusted.
    And I don't think you'd be wise to give that seal if anybody else had access to the list - otherwise, it all ends up as being "more spam from that Haiko guy".

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    Some look at the part of the glass that is full, others look at the part that is empty. Either way "action" is what matters and It sounds like Haiko is working in the right step.

    Jay,
    My Father used to say "...If all a man can see is negative, then he's probably a negative Man..."

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    quote:
    Originally posted by jaybat:
    >It is a problem! - That is why I wanted to offer the service! so that people could opt out of mailings and mailers could clean their lists against the DND list of the ethicals.

    Maybe I misunderstood you, but I think more likely to make it work right would take a lot more work than you're planning on.
    For it to work, YOU would have to manage all the mailing lists, YOU would have to handle all the sub/unsubs.
    Personally, I wouldn't trust any of the internet email marketers to do the right thing with your list.
    Once your do-not-spam list got out of your fingers, there's no doubt in my mind it would turn against you - even if you personally trusted everybody you released the list to, at some point a soon-to-be-ex-employee (or just a greedy one) will see some money to be made.
    This is possibly a great fulltime business to run - a *real* opt-in/out email service, supporting many advertisers/marketers - but it has to have the Haiko Seal of Approval for it to be trusted.
    And I don't think you'd be wise to give that seal if anybody else had access to the list - otherwise, it all ends up as being "more spam from that Haiko guy".



    I agree 100% and that is why I never "commercially "launched it!

    It could be a nightmare and a half!
    I think once the members of the DND list know how to report the spammers (many of them do) then the [SPAM] nightmare could be diminished very quickly!

    That being the goal! ... All good things are worth waiting for! :cool:

    Respectfully,

    Haiko

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    The delete the spam and it is gone arguement misses many points. You pay for that spam even if you don't pay per minute or by bandwidth.

    Your isp is charging you higher rates because of spam. I run a mail service with over 50,000 users. We have filters for spam but still over half the mail we deliver or is processed is spam. There are no secret lists passed around by fortune 500 companies - there a variety of filters each with its own strength and weakness.

    Spam costs my company in the extra drives we have to buy, the extra processor in our box. We figure without spam, we could cut our bandwidth in half. Just think what AOL, earthlink etc have to deal with? Then the complaints, users who think you sold their name.

    And that is just spam. A concentrated dictionary attack by multiple ips to harvest addresses is painful.

    I have spam traps. Addresses that exist for no other reason than to be harvested. When they get an email I pursue the closing of accounts, the closing of websites. 95% of the time it is some hayseed who read this too good to be true way to promote their site. Half of spam is to sell spam, must not work too well?

    Now more and more spam is moving to china. Starting next week we are going to offer filtering based on country of origin.

    Fools and scammers are who thinks spam is harmless. I have the feeling I can tell which side you fall on.

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    Mr. Magoo,

    Usually I don't say anything about spam but this time I must!

    First, it's not so easy to just set up an email filter and auto-delete spam. I have about 7 filters going on one of my email addresses, and still some spam manages to get through. Plus it makes it slower than molasses, to have to wait for those filters to go through it all.

    Second, it's not like snail mail. I don't get 150 junk snail mails in a MONTH, let alone a day or two!

    Third, it's much easier to find the good mail out of a pack of snail mails. It usually looks different, for one. But with the infernal email spams, each subject at least has to be read. The 2-second read-times add up, when looking at 100 or so emails!

    Fourth, it's easy to get overwhelmed and just hit Select All--Delete...and then find out that one good email was in there.

    Fifth, being "positive" doesn't mean saying that EVERYTHING is good! Some things Suck. Spam's one of them.

    There are better ways to make serious money.

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