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    Hello
    I'm new here.
    I've done a search and find no mention of the following:

    Publicly traded program for the sale of Long Distance and other communications services.
    The company is now a FCC licensed long distance switch.
    Currently promotes reseller / rebiller services for a number of companies.
    Has plans to be licensed as a reseller / rebiller in 36 states.

    Has 149,000 agents.
    Most do NOTHING.
    I've been at this for 3 years.
    Some have been at it for 5+ and the top guy makes 13,000+ per month - no BULL
    It's not a get rich quick deal.
    It's slow build with residual income every mouth.
    The picture of Joe with a check for $20,267.70 is for real. He won a $10K contest in April.

    FROM THE WEBSITE:
    No yearly renewal fee!
    No start-up fee!
    Great residual commission rates (6% to 12%)
    Easy commission qualifying (4 active accounts)
    Generous Sales and Promotional Bonuses
    100% customizable, fully automated e-commerce web site
    Full Back Office Customer Usage Reports

    There is also a bunch of MLM stuff as well.
    I work it as a commission deal. Others play it MLM. Some do both.

    Question: Do they pay?
    Yes, check are cut on the 28th - sometimes on the 1st [big deal]

    ************************ http://cognigen.net will redirect to http://cognigen.net/corporate/?foundersclubagent
    Click on "a profitable FREE Internet Business" http://cognigen.net/corporate/bizop_...?randomAgentID
    The url string will generate a random agent ID
    That member has purchased a "Founder Club Membership" for about $0.19 a click
    A cookie will be set and there is nothing you/I can do about that.

    So if the moderators wish to check it out the agent IDs SHOULD be different for each moderator.
    Therefore, I'm NOT spamming here.
    Do I have a vested interest?
    Yes, I'm a stockholder.

    Good luck.

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    Adam Ward,

    Welcome!

    Regarding your post ... hmmmm
    I have heard of them .. and have for about 2 years, and got another unsolicited email from them just the other day. I get so tired looking at all the sizzle .... Give us some steak .... what does it do, offer etc (in a non sales oriented write up). If you want to promote them further you may put a link in your signature.

    Haiko

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    Cognigen offers you a free website where you can sell Discount Long Distance Services.
    That is nothing new but the rates are some of the best on the WWW and when people see those rates they sign up. The process is fully automated and their long distance is switched in 3 to 5 days.

    Now the average residential cuastomers long distance bill is about $25 and you get 6% to 12% of that for each month they stay with the service.

    So if you can drive traffic to a web site you make money.

    No hidden cost CALLING CARDS are also offered.

    Bottom line is that they pay every month.

    >unsolicited email from them
    Send me a copy.
    Spam is outlawed.
    But with 149,000 agent ya never know.

    Thanks for the welcome [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Interesting thread Adam. Do they really pay?

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    Storm

    Due I detect a bit of skepticism.

    All I can think of is for you to JOIN and you will be directed to the agent BBS

    All agents must register with their real first and last name.
    Initials for either your first or last name will not be allowed per the moderator.

    You might ask that question in the MISC area.

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    Storm,

    Welcome!

    Haiko

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    the problem with cognigen is the AGENTS WANTED ad right on the home page. This is a low down dirty trick.
    You direct visitors to the site.
    If they decide to buy one of the services, why not sign up as an agent first, effectively getting a 6% "discount" via commission credit.
    No commission for YOU.

    :eek: admin@deelzonline.com

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    Two more cents on cognigen:
    In their "marketing tools" they strongly encourage "agents" to use ffa and other similar nonsense, among other things.
    "Be sure to submit your site to the search engines" - a mirror site?
    In my opinion, if there was no world-wide-web, these are the same people who would be mailing chain letters to lists of recently widowed elderly church ladies. :mad:

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    Deelz,
    I would have to disagree...I've always disliked MLM, and thought of it as a scam. I had signed up for Cognigen a long time ago when I was first developing a presence on the web...I never did anything with it for the longest time just to see if they stuck around...and they did.... Just a few months ago, I started playing around with some of their services. I have made several sales through them. If I had never made one single sale from them, that would have been fine because I make out just by using their services (even if I don't sell). I was paying for a dial-up account on one of our computers that was costing me $19.95 a month, and the service was less than desirable. It was through Prodigy, of whom I had used several years. They then raised their rates to $21.95, and accidentally billed my credit card for $65.00. Trying to get money back from them is like getting a root canal, and they couldn't explain why I was charged that amount for a dial-up account that should have been $21.95. At that point, I decided I would try the Cognisurf at $12.45 a month. I have had absolutely no problems using cognisurf since January, and it seems faster to me than Prodigy ever was. So, with Cognigen, I have cut my ISP bill in half for a better service. I also make A LOT of long distance phone calls from my house. I have reduced my long distance phone bill roughly by 30%. So, if I made no sales at all, I'm still making out. As for selling, I had a business sign up today for Long Distance and Toll Free service. They are currently paying $3000 a month for their current service. I will save them roughly 500-700 a month in these services, and I will make 6% commission. That is month in and month out as long as they are a customer. I have been building things in affiliate marketing, however, I have yet to sell something on CJ that would make me that same $120+ commission on a single product sold...and I get that commission every month. I could care less about having people in my downline...while they are nice to have, it really doesn't pay. Saving money for me and my customers is what works for me, and I have not had one customer complain about any of the Cognigen products we offer.

    As for submitting to FFA sites...many people still do this. Some of the best submission software will do this. I hear people swear by programs such as Exploits Submission Wizard...one of the best submission programs, and it submits to FFA. The encouragment about using a mirror site is simple. Cognigen gives you a free website to sell their services. Problem is you have no means of editing the site...you get your logo in a corner and that's it. You wouldn't be able to put any ad spin on their products (like in affiliate marketing)...set up a site to carry their products where you can edit those products...Unless I'm missing something, I do not see an issue with that.

    Tom Pyles

    [ 04-11-2002: Message edited by: TH Media ]

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    I had lots of people signup for net2phone in past and all I received over and over again were emails from people that they couldn't download it, they spent hours trying to set it up etc etc. It was not easy to use and I never made a penny. I did have a few accounts each month for other products but I found it hard to keep the 4 required to get a check.

    I also see they have a phone number to call for becoming an affiliate. WOuldn't this
    stop one's downline from growing under the page they found you on?

    I will check them out again for other services given Tom's post. What I find confusing is the zillions of options customers have for everything which I think may be more problematical than helpful.

    I also don't see why they can't carry balance into the next month if you have less than 4 customers in a month.

    Reflections

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    reflections

    When I started, I too was pushing N2P
    It was not a money maker for us.
    Poeple thought "the software is FREE'" and never considered that there MIGHT be a charge for the calls
    We had 2000+ downloads and made $7.20 last month on all of those - LOL

    As for the index page being loaded with too may options, you are correct.

    We send customers in to sub-directories.
    Long Distance to Long Distance
    Calling Card to Calling Cards
    etc

    Stuff sells & they pay.

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    TH MEDIA actually helps to make my point.
    You couldn't care less about what you've got in your downline (I would feel the same way) because all you're REALLY interested in is using the service for yourself (I would do the same thing). But what happens here is that the sale does not count as a "qualifying" account for your upline agent.
    As for the mirror site; yes it's a great idea, and i personally prefer to use programs that provide mirror sites. My beef with them on this is that they encourage people to submit the mirror site to the search engines. First off, the question mark in the url is basically a stop sign for the spiders and robots. Second, even if it did work, there would be 190,000 agents ahead of you in the search listings (not sure if that is an accurate count for number of active agents, but you get the idea)
    I'm sorry i'm really not a sourpuss but the way these people operate just disgusts me.
    I'm sure they're fine as a source of the services that they sell but the "opportunity"
    thing just isn't all it's cracked up to be. If it was, they wouldn't need such a hyped-up presentation. :rolleyes:

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    Deelz,
    I should have clarified in my thoughts about my downline. I do what I can to help the sell. It was a poor choice of words on my part. It is nice to have a downline, and I assist them with many resources and any sales. I don't, however, rely on that for an income. My money comes from the sales I make. I didn't get into it to get rich from people below me selling...I sell the services my customers need and help them save money. I would only get 1% of my downline sales. How much would they have to sell for me to stop selling my own products? I shouldn't have said that I could care less, because I do...just they are not my primary source of income. Hope that clarifies.

    Tom Pyles

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Deelzebub:
    the problem with cognigen is the AGENTS WANTED ad right on the home page. This is a low down dirty trick.
    You direct visitors to the site.
    If they decide to buy one of the services, why not sign up as an agent first, effectively getting a 6% "discount" via commission credit.
    No commission for YOU.

    <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0"> admin@deelzonline.com)


    The agents wanted ad can be turned off in your administration site. Just to go edit your details and you will find the ability to turn off the "affiliates wanted" and business opportunity stuff.

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