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    Super Sh!t Stirrer SSanf's Avatar
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    BodyJewelry.com reversed every sale except $6.75!!!!!

    What is this all about????

    I know darned good and well that if there were people with stolen credit cards they would have purchased from more than one advertiser. I have other advertisers that sale jewelry, too!

    I thought CJ was supposed to collect money up front to protect us from this kind of apparent fraud!!!!

    I also know that I have done not one single thing against the contract. So, there is no just cause that I am aware of.

    What are you going to DO about TRUSTED THIRD PARTY!!!!!

    I DEMAND that you MAKE merchants show proof of EVERY reversal!!!

    We need protection from merchant theft!!!


    3 month EPC $2.08 (view trend)
    7 day EPC $0.15

    THIS KIND OF A DROP IN EPC CAN ONLY COME FROM THEM DOING A WHOLE LOT OF REVERSALS, SUDDENLY! MY LITTLE BUSINESS ALONE COULDN'T BRING IT DOWN THAT MUCH. THAT MEANS THEY ARE PULLING THIS ON A LOT OF AFFILIATES.

    WHY DO YOU ALLOW IT CJ!!!!


    I DEMAND that you MAKE merchants show proof of EVERY reversal!!!
    I DEMAND that you MAKE merchants show proof of EVERY reversal!!!
    I DEMAND that you MAKE merchants show proof of EVERY reversal!!!
    I DEMAND that you MAKE merchants show proof of EVERY reversal!!!



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    [This message was edited by SSanf on April 18, 2003 at 09:14 PM.]

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    Thanks for posting this - pulling them off right now. Don't know what's worse...merchants not reporting sales or those that twirl them in your face only to take them away a few weeks later. AFTER you've planned your own finances out for the month.

    Sorry this happened to you!

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    I agree. I think cj merchants should show proof somehow of reversals. Thanks for the body jewelry merchant. im not going to premote them.

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    I agree, its way to easy for a cj merchant to reverse something.

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    EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED WITH CJ IS A FCUKING THIEF~!
    I WISH THEM ALL A SLOW AND AGONOZING DE@TH~!

    FCUK YOU CJ~!


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    Cyclone:
    I think you might be a little angry right now. I don't think that everybody involved with CJ is a thief, but there are still some out there. Forums like this one provide us with a chance to communicate about the "bad guys" like bodyjewelry.com and put the pressure on CJ to kick them out. As a group we have a lot of power to change things. CJ is in business to make money, and merchant and publisher satisfaction is a very important part of that. Making broad and unproductive statements does not help anything.

    As far as bodyjewelry.com goes, you are thiefs and nothing more. What you have done is a crime, but unfortunately the justice system hasn't caught up to the tech era, so you will probably get away with it. Maybe in 10 years you'll all be in jail.

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    Eh, Cyclone, don't hold back now, tell us how you REALLY feel,lol.

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    Gotta love the yahoo store wanks no?

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    Actually I have a pretty good Yahoo Store place as one of my merchants (obviously not BodyJewelry!) and whether a merchant has a Yahoo Store doesn't figure into my mental fraud detection "algo". Crooks come in many varieties and I've found places to be just as likely to pull junk when they're not associated with Yahoo.

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    Just out of interest, do CJ get the transaction fee if the sale is reversed?

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    I believe CJ's out of luck in case of reversals, but it'd take checking the Merchant Advertiser Agreement to be sure.

    -I've been a king, and I've been a pauper, and everything there is in between ~T.G. Sheppard. NOT Frank Sinatra!

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Dynamoo:
    Just out of interest, do CJ get the transaction fee if the sale is reversed?



    Yah! I am curious too!

    You figure if they don't get the transaction fee that these merchants reversing almost everything, they would demand what SSanf are asking!

    Sorry to hear about that SSanf.


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    Perhaps this is not the most professional manner in which to express your interest in the return of this information...perhaps.

    I don't imagine you will get anything but dismissed when uncontrolled yelling and pseudo explitives are the means by which you seek to change something and further you are tarnishing the affiliate community with your profane dribble.

    And yes I do too whish for the return of this information.

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    Because this thread is about merchants that reverse every sale,

    Here's one to be aware of - iconnecthere - they have reversed almost each and every sale I gave them!!

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    Get mad folks. I thought body jewelry like worn underwear, used batteries & film and even tattos were non refundable products.

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    1 slightly used vibrating tongue ring for sale...

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    Joseph, lol, I'm doing a visual block RIGHT NOW, lolol.

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    CJ's silence on such matters gets Louder every day.

    CJ continues their incremental moves which alienate affiliates.

    It certainly appears that issues concerning Integrity are getting little response from CJ and even less real action.

    OR

    "It's just my magi-na-ayy-tion...runnin away with me"

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Just a guy:
    CJ's silence on such matters gets Louder every day.

    CJ continues their incremental moves which alienate affiliates.

    It certainly appears that issues concerning Integrity are getting little response from CJ and even less real action.

    OR

    _"It's just my magi-na-ayy-tion...runnin away with me"_


    CJ used to have a fairly good participation over here thanks to todd, but it seems that unprofessional approach like this has made it impossible for CJ to put their point accross:

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    EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED WITH CJ IS A FCUKING THIEF~!
    I WISH THEM ALL A SLOW AND AGONOZING DE@TH~!

    FCUK YOU CJ~!


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    Charlie wrote:

    > Get mad folks. I thought body jewelry like worn underwear, used batteries & film and
    > even tattos were non refundable products.



    EXCELLENT Point Charlie!!

    With my best,

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    My demand would be that all affiliates just plain stop promoting high reversing merchants.

    I remember the chargeback percentage for this body-jewelry merchant...back when chargeback data was available. Outragious.

    I also remember their website design was inferior to many pokemon fan websites out there.

    I don't have to have it in writing whether or not CJ benefits whether a transaction is reversed or not...It's quite evident they do.

    I only expect CJ to do as their nature dictates, and that being.. that they are only inclined to screw us to the extent we are willing to bend over. This is corporate America folks.

    Whether CJ will tire of such forum threads as this is anybody's guess. Whether they would tire in the wake of their merchants no longer being promoted is much more sure.

    Just say no to scum-merchants.

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    You betcha. I have a site ready for google promoting Pierced Body and I am actively recruiting other merchants for things Chris doesn't seem likely to get. I guess, I should do some kind of a redirect on pages in google for body jewelry but I don't want to lose the ranking on those pages. What to do? A click here link, perhaps?

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    I don't want to lose the ranking on those pages


    I try to work my new merchants into the existing spin for already-ranked pages.

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    Thanks but that won't work.

    I don't put any spin on my pages for several reasons.

    1. I'm too lazy
    2. It would interfere with getting high search engine rankings.
    3. When I have tried writing spin such as, "Look Bozo, you came to this page because you were looking for whippletrees. I have moderately good whippletrees for sale and if you don't buy my wippletrees, you're stupid and your mother wears combat boots!" it fails to persuade.

    The Wolf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Cooperate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your feelings. Leave your mark.

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