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    Why is this not a surprise???

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    stay away from Findwhat. Their clicks are not worth a damn!

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    I strongly disagree. Findwhat are one of the best PPCSE's on the internet.

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    I strongly disagree. Findwhat are one of the best PPCSE's on the internet.
    Best in terms of what? click-thrus?

    How about the sales generated from those clickthrus?

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    PayPerClickWire.com,

    Welcome to ABW!

    I suggest you read http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...9&m=4466055523

    and

    http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...9&m=2766003671

    and MOST IMPORTANTLY

    http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...89&m=460606399

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    CJ allowing WhenU into the network is just a 20ft high middle finger to all non Duper or BHO affiliates. It's just another way to work out the smaller uninformed affiliates. Gee, I wonder why CJ won't find a problem with WhenU ... hmmmm! What a CROCK!

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    If I remember, Kanoodle do it to. And Overture, of course, with Gator.



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    I don't know what the big problem people have with PPC's.

    I know I use Overture, Findwhat, and Kanoodle, and they all provide me success.

    I may ***** about sales being off here and there, but when I'm getting a 500% return on my advertising dollar, I'm a pretty happy camper.

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    When your OWN web site will be popping up on an other affiliate or merchant web sites, do you think THEY will be happy campers!
    You're looking for trouble, don't pop up on my web sites or you're going to remember my name.

    It's not the big that eat the small... it's the fast that eat the slow. Jennings & Haughton

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    Besides, FindWhat used to have a cj program, they closed it, talked about opening in-house, never did, and now they're baaaaaaaaack.

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    Zeus, don't threaten me...... ever....

    I promote through the PPC's, and if their partners display the ad's in a way you don't like, talk to them, otherwise keep your misguided comments away from me, ok? I don't infringe upon anybody, and I follow the rules out there. If this isn't ok with you, then hey, sucks to be a Zeus, now doesn't it?

    Webmistress - they do have an in-house program, I've been a memeber for about 3 months now.

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    I don't know what the big problem people have with PPC's.


    I used to love them!

    What changed my mind is a combination of OverSURE's arbitrary denials, and the fact that the traffic quality I was getting from both them and FindWhat dropped through the floor.

    Simply put, I will not spend my money at a place that gives me hash and aggravation when I try to do business with them! So that was the end of my dealings with Over. FindWhat didn't give me hash or aggravation, but they had a different problem: Their traffic stopped converting for me.

    I'm not so much "against PPCs"--when they work well, they REALLY work (I got mega-returns as well, when they accepted my listings with no problem and sent good clicks)!--as against the heaps of hash, BS, aggravation, and nonconverting clicks I began to experience.

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    As for the problem with FindWhat being accepted back at CJ, it's a Finger because of the fact that FW pops up on some other sites through their partners (parasite).

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    As for the problem with FindWhat being accepted back at CJ, it's a Finger because of the fact that FW pops up on some other sites through their partners (parasite).



    But, it's not Findwhat, or other PPC's, that are to blame for that. It is the search partner who distributes the results. They determine the format to display the search results, and when and how they're displayed.

    My spending is as follows (approximate per month); Findwhat $375, Kanoodle $150, Overture $75. Approximately $600 at CPC's, and they are about 95% of my advertising dollar per month. From that spending, I gross over $3000 (part-timer).

    The thing that works, is to bid on very targeted keywords. Avoid the obvious big dollar keywords (ie. casino, travel, dating, etc) because the lesser search engine partners will use those to drive revenue for themselves (since they share on the click revenue). All totalled, I have just over 100,000 keywords I bid on, and the majority are at $.01. Not all get clicks, but hey, when they do, it'll be $.01, and someone who had to type in the exact match to get to my site, or directly to the merchant, and most likely will buy.

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    Free hash with listings? How much $ do you have to deposit?

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    it's not Findwhat, or other PPC's, that are to blame for that. It is the search partner who distributes the results

    I don't agree. If you know FindWhat is getting part of its traffic thru WhenU and WhenU from popping on other affiliates or merchants web sites and you knowingly pay FindWhat, well, you're the one to blame for that. You're the one paying them.

    It's not the big that eat the small... it's the fast that eat the slow. Jennings & Haughton

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    Free hash with listings? How much $ do you have to deposit?


    I think it's still $25, but they may have raised it. But do you really want that kind of hash? And actually, it's free hash but NO listings! Just denial notices!

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    The thing that works, is to bid on very targeted keywords.


    I did that, bid cheap, and avoided the big dollar words like the plague. It used to work great, and I got back 5x the money that I invested!

    But then FW's traffic stopped converting and Over's CR also degraded, although not as bad. I don't think it's too coincidental that this was just around the time they got a big partner that started popping them up on Google and another partner that spammed their private-label search sites (using FindWhat results) into Google's listings.

    I checked some of my terms back then in Google and only got to my site from Google after 3 clicks. Google-->Some spam site-->FindWhat or Overture-->Me. The desire to buy was long gone from those visitors, who were probably just glad to land on something that wasn't an SE at that point.

    Also I was not pleased to find out that most of my PAID traffic was actually coming from GOOGLE!!!

    Needless to say I wasn't too enamoured with that proposition. If I wanted to pay for *Google's* traffic, I would have hired an SEO professional, not a PPC!

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    I don't agree. If you know FindWhat is getting part of its traffic thru WhenU and WhenU from popping on other affiliates or merchants web sites and you knowingly pay FindWhat, well, you're the one to blame for that. You're the one paying them.



    that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. now your saying people shouldn't advertise their business? that they shouldn't promote their business. how much traffic does Findwhat get through WhenU? I'll bet what, maybe 10,000 searches a month? They do over 1 billion searches a month, and they also have partners like Excite, Mamma, InfoSpace, Metacrawler, Dogpile, and more, over 20,000 partners to be exact. So, you're saying that people have no right to advertise their business, or site, because of 1 partner, when there are 20,000 other partners on that CPC providing quality traffic. I almost pissed myself when I read that quote. I'm glad there are people who will tell other businesses and affiliates that they shouldn't or can't promote their business. Maybe you should stop advertising too, stop getting in search engines, level the field. If no one else is allowed to promote their site, then neither are you. That's only fair? Right?

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    I don't know Leader, maybe I'm an exception then. Because I've experienced nothing but success with PPC's. Findwhat has been especially good, and I've looked through my tracking stats (I have a program that tracks the IP address of a visitor, and the site they came from), sorta looks like this;

    findwhat http://webferret.search.com/search 209.132.170.16 Sun Mar 9 11:30:00 2003
    findwhat http://webferret.search.com/search 209.132.170.16 Sun Mar 9 11:30:01 2003
    overture http://www1.overture.com/d/sr 194.165.171.236 Sun Mar 9 11:33:21 2003
    findwhat http://www.seek4free.com/search.php 66.156.233.10 Sun Mar 9 11:35:52 2003
    findwhat http://www.benibul.com/results.asp 212.253.3.50 Sun Mar 9 11:36:03 2003
    findwhat http://us01.xmlsearch.findwhat.com/bin/findwhat.dll 12.90.118.193 Sun Mar 9 11:40:09 2003
    findwhat http://www.xupiter.com/search/dojump.pl 65.116.162.81 Sun Mar 9 11:40:26 2003

    I haven't found anything that remotely looks like WhenU.

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    Shame Shame Shame ...unethical greedy networks -Merchants and affiliates. Some PPCSE's are just interested in one thing ...draining advertisers keyword accounts. They could careless about the quality of traffic of their BHO alliances

    Mike & Charlie ...

    If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

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    now your saying people shouldn't advertise their business? that they shouldn't promote their business.


    No. I do believe what was being said is that each affiliate marketer/webmaster is responsible for choosing how they advertise their business. If they choose to advertise their business with agencies in bed with parasites, then they are making such a choice.

    We all choose how we advertise our sites. Many of us have seen a drastic drop in conversion rates from all the PPC traffic that once brought in sales, not just Leader. Glad it still works for someone, though I am not happy that an affiliate marketer would put money into a company that has chosen to partner with the likes of WhenU or Gator.

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    Looks like Webferret is growing. Other than that, most of those referrers look typical to what I saw when I bid.

    Except for this one:

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    Xupiter...that's been flamed here as a parasite. I don't remember the specifics (except that there's some kind of downloadable thingie involved), but it'd be in the Parasiteware Forum...

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    I don't know Leader, maybe I'm an exception then. Because I've experienced nothing but success with PPC's.


    All I can do is guess--my guess is that either what you're selling is different, or something has changed in the marketplace between when I had active listings and now.

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    My conversion rates with Findwhat are excellent. I only wish they could deliver more traffic. Unless you are planning on marketting several areas, creating tens of listings and hundreds/thousands of keywords, you are better off not wasting your time (the exception being if you are going for highly sought after terms and $1 bids).

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    Leader - don't know how xupiter is considered parasiteware.

    I went to www.xupiter.com, and it looks like a typical search engine. I did a search on a keyword, and received search results. There was a pop-under, but, it was a site related to the search topic. Simple, closed it, then viewed the search results. Found my listing, clicked on it, was sent to the site. No pop-ups, no re-directs, only the site, with my referring CJ affiliate code.

    How is this a parasite? I'm relatively new, so, if I'm missing something, I'd like to know. But, from the above scenario, doesn't it work like it's suppose to?

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    We all choose how we advertise our sites. Many of us have seen a drastic drop in conversion rates from all the PPC traffic that once brought in sales, not just Leader. Glad it still works for someone, though I am not happy that an affiliate marketer would put money into a company that has chosen to partner with the likes of WhenU or Gator.



    If the percentage of searches is less then 0.0001 of the total searches, then it's a number that's workable.

    Let's put it another way. You have a significant other, that person is beautiful, thoughtful, considerate, and you work very well with each other. There's 1000's of things you like about that person, BUT, that person snores, which you don't like, do you kick that person to the curb knowing that there are 1000's of traits you like? And, knowing that another person may not have as many desireable traits, and won't work as well with you?

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    Leader - don't know how xupiter is considered parasiteware.


    http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...upiter+toolbar

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