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    Sorry, I just wanted to be the first to post in my new favorite company's section.

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    Ahh Patrick you got the cherry LOL [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Well, with CJ (ParasiteWare(TM) and Xeroxing supporting and EPC lying) out I guess this, the reporting.net and the Tiger Forums to be the some of the top posted in forums [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Thank you Stephen Messer for your position on Parasiteware(TM) and I look forward to Reporting.net's position also!

    CJ continue to send your affiliates to CFU!

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    Lol Dr Evil. (edited by Patrick in order not to offend anyone .<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon12.gif> )

    Haiko, I really do like the direction that Linkshare is going in. I hope they continue. I find it is still hard to find the diamonds in the coal or whatever it is Leader says, lol. But they are on the right track. It would be nice if they could get merchants to speed up payments and get that friggin search engine to work.

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    Patrick,

    I forsee many good anouncements in the near future from Linkshare !*hint*

    Haiko

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    Haiko,

    But what is Snare doing about the PAST improprieties and such?

    You know, like answering email, helping affiliates collect from merchants who skipped - stuff like that.

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    Haiko,

    And what is Snare planning to do about the merchants who cancelled affiliates who were just a buck or two short of the minimum and skipped without paying?

    When Steve starts runing up a legal bill to collect, then I will change my anti-snare stance.

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    When they go to consolidated commission payments I will be more proactive in promoting merchants in their network. Real time reporting would be great, too!

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    The changes at LS sure do bode well for them to turn around last years debacle on LS DotCom bombs. Their "Net Sales" report quickly pin points tracking activity across all merchants and the individual merchant summary does devulge cookie days and commissions & payment terms prior to signup.

    Now if they could attract some converting merchants who could find or build proper affiliate friendly landing pages they will prosper. Consolidating monthly checks would relieve the mess caused by quarterly high minimum branding merchants for those who don't run spamming e-mail campaigns and "incent offerings".

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    Ditto to most of what Fred said!

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>When Steve starts runing up a legal bill to collect, then I will change my anti-snare stance.
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    That's the exception. I want to see actual checks!! Since they were the payment processor for at least one of the Never Pay Merchants they ran, they KNEW there was no money behind the program, yet they left it running for months!

    All their so-called "improvements" are just attempts to catch up to where CJ has been all along! I cannot praise a place that's merely trying to touch a competitor--and has MILES to go--where's the consolidated payments, or the direct deposits?!! And I see that even GameBoy admits that it's hard to find the diamonds in the coal!

    As for their WhenU glossover ATTEMPT, by the looks of THIS THREAD, Snare still SUCKS in that regard, too--no matter what their new terms SAY!

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    I agree..

    Linkshare has a LONG way to go before I jump back into the fire.

    I've been burned by their merchants so many times... My skin hasnt fully healed.

    I just received an email regarding ANOTHER merchant who just filed for bankruptsy :mad:

    I'm still trying to collect from a merchant for commissions earned from 2000-2001. They just skipped LS and are now a CJ merchant.

    Right Haiko [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Untill they adopt consolidated payments, escrow accounts and a true regard for their affiliates ... They can crow all they want about "we are making giant strides" and the like. As far as I'm concerned ... They are only in it for the sign up fees :eek:

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    [ 02-17-2002: Message edited by: dhelle ]

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    Leader,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>All their so-called "improvements" are just attempts to catch up to where CJ has been all along! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I have to disagree on one point here. Linkshare shows how merchants pay wich is number 1 to me. Commission Junction doesn't let you know how merchants pay, if they are behind in payments or not until they become inactive. At least at Linkshare they give you the choice of picking a merchant if they are behind in payments. Just my <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif>

    Dave,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm still trying to collect from a merchant for commissions earned from 2000-2001. They just skipped LS and are now a CJ merchant.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm doing the same thing except the other way. Trying to get money from a CJ merchant who is now at Linkshare. Maybe if our trusted 3rd partys would keep in touch about merchants that have stiffed them and not allow them into their program if they still owe another company then that would put the deadbeats out of business.

    Example would be a merchant runs up a bill at Linkshare and leaves without paying. Now they go to CJ and want to run up a bill there. Cj goes to a list where all the trusted 3rd party's have listed all the merchants who owe them money. Now they see that this merchant stiffed payment to affiliates at Linkshare and say sorry but we do not allow risk merchant in our company. Imagine if you have all 3rd party's doing this it will force merchant to either pay or most likely go out of business. It will never happen, just wishful thinking.

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    Patrick,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Cj goes to a list where all the trusted 3rd party's have listed all the merchants who owe them money<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I agree 1000%. It amazes me that merchants think that affiliates are dumb as stumps and they can have a fresh start somewhere else.

    But ... Trusted 3rd parties like the start-up fees [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Dave,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But ... Trusted 3rd parties like the start-up fees <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yup!!! It all comes down to the almighty BUCK! :eek:

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    leader, Big Chuck & dhelle have mentioned it and I'll put my voice here too..consolidated payments.
    I actually logged into my Linkshare account yesterday to see what changes there had been since I last looked...was thinking of looking for stuff to promote there but thought twice and decided against it due to the absence of consolidated payments.

    [ 02-17-2002: Message edited by: futuresky ]

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    Forgive me for this, but have any of you who are demanding consolidated payments read the documents you agreed to when you signed up for the various advertisers in the first place? Each and every one of them spells out what will be paid, and how much you will have to make in order to receive a check.

    Obstinatedon

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    When I signed up for alot of LS merchants ... I thought I'd get paid too :eek:

    I'm not demanding anything ...

    If LS wants to instill confidence again in it's program ... They need to make positive changes.

    Consolidated payments is just one of them.

    Dave

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    Exactamundo!

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    When they go to consolidated commission payments I will be more proactive in promoting merchants in their network. Real time reporting would be great, too!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    After my past experience with them I would absolutely NEED to see that happen before even considering them.

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    Don, their agreement also said I'd get PAID by those where I DID hit the min.!

    But it boils down to the fact that what was acceptable-looking when I was a newbie ISN'T acceptable any more! To state it differently, when you were a little kid you might have been willing to mow a lawn for $5--would you do it for that NOW?

    Plus, like Dave said:

    "If LS wants to instill confidence again in it's program ... They need to make positive changes.

    Consolidated payments is just one of them.~Dave"


    Patrick, I fully agree that network-hopping deadbeats should be cracked down on. Just like credit card and loan companies, ALL the networks should read and act on Credit Reports--and FILE credit reports of their own! It should be impossible for habitual deadbeats to find a network!

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    Hello Leader...

    Okay, if you are not willing to accept the commission or bounty or whatever that you signed up for initially, I would suggest that the easy solution is to contact the advertiser, disclose your stats as it pertains to said advertiser and work out a better deal. Frankly, if your traffic justifies it, the majority of them tend to jump at the chance provided you aren't asking for a figure that is beyond what their margin can abide.

    As to collecting from those who haven't paid comissions due: if they are still in business, sue them. You have every right as, since you agreed to their terms, you were literally "in business" with them, and they defaulted on their part of the bargain.

    The provider, regardless of which one, was generally also stiffed, and according to their agreements, they can sue for damages as well.

    But, as for LinkShare itself and the improvements you are asking for, I know for a fact that you haven't been living under a rock over the past year, so you must have taken note of the many positive changes they have made already. I'm sorry Leader, but in your case it simply sounds like sour grapes to me.

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    Well it would look like that to you. What it looks like to me is Not Worth the Grief.

    When I get over the minimum, half the time a check arrives, if I haven't been dropped before I reach it.

    Half that time the check is in the right name.

    Never has the check been of a sufficient amount to take half a day off and go down to the bank with it where I can pay a third of its value to cash it (because its about £30 and made out in dollars).

    I want a consolidated cheque, in my *own* name, (not written out with my domain as the payee) and I want it for the total amount the network owes me.

    If linkshare could do this, I might be persuaded to log into my account again. I'm not saying I'd promote anything there - before I do that they'll have to change that whole hobbyist outlook, treat me like someone who can shift 100k+ a month and kick out any merchant who can't make an individual product link without screwing it up.

    In other words - you can call it sour grapes if you like, but some of us here know precisely how much our time is worth because we have the stats to prove it.

    Linkshare ATM, is a waste of that time.


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    Hopefully consolidated checks are in the works at Linshare. By far that would be their biggest improvement and it is long over due. It will also improve the quality of merchants. But even with consolidated payments it still doesn't guarentee the merchant is going to pay. The only thing it really does is let you get paid for the small amnts of sales that you didn't reach the minimum with the merchant. What needs to be done at all the company's is cash up front. No ifs and buts about it. If you can't pay then you don't get to play. Wouldn't it be nice if the ppc engines let us list on credit.

    And don't get me wrong when I praise Linkshare, I worry just as much there about getting paid by merchants as I worry any place else about getting paid or having a bunch of reversals and so on. They are all pretty much the same except for a few places who pay you whether they get paid or not.

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    Ok GameBoy so you clearly beat me. Well I feel like I have entered the party a little late and I am rushing to get caught up on the discussion. Sorry to all if it looks like I am bouncing around. My goal is to have someone from LinkShare who can be here to answer all your questions, but based on the fact that I just found out this board exists I thought I should take a moment to answer some of the questions that are easy.

    Hope all is well,
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GameBoy:
    Sorry, I just wanted to be the first to post in my new favorite company's section.

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    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    Hi Frederick,

    Thanks for your post. We continue to work on getting old merchants to pay any past due but to be frank most of those players are out of business. It is sad that both you and LinkShare did not get paid for the hard work that we did but at one point we all have to move on. This is not to say you don't have the right to be wary about working with merchants bit I hope you will ask around and see some of the many changes that were made to make sure that this issue would not arise again.

    Best regards,
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Professor:
    Haiko,

    But what is Snare doing about the PAST improprieties and such?

    You know, like answering email, helping affiliates collect from merchants who skipped - stuff like that.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    Dear dhelle,

    Thank you for your post. Take a moment and look at some of the changes we have made. In fact one of the things you said is that you just got a notice of another merchant who filed for bankruptcy. One of the realities of the world we live in is that some business survives and some don't. We have worked hard to make sure that all this information is shared with our partners at the same time we find out about it. In addition we also escrow many new merchants who we feel are not as secure as we would like to see. But escrow is not always the best case. Many of the large players have corporate policies against escrow and in reality pose little to no risk. Because we work with primarily fortune 2000 and (not lots of smallsites.com) businesses it does not make sense to have a blanket escrow policy. Just my .02

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dhelle:
    I agree..

    Linkshare has a LONG way to go before I jump back into the fire.

    I've been burned by their merchants so many times... My skin hasnt fully healed.

    I just received an email regarding ANOTHER merchant who just filed for bankruptsy :mad:

    I'm still trying to collect from a merchant for commissions earned from 2000-2001. They just skipped LS and are now a CJ merchant.

    Right Haiko [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Untill they adopt consolidated payments, escrow accounts and a true regard for their affiliates ... They can crow all they want about "we are making giant strides" and the like. As far as I'm concerned ... They are only in it for the sign up fees :eek:

    Regards,
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    [ 02-17-2002: Message edited by: dhelle ]
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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