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    Hi Steve,

    this was asked awhile back by Miss Mary I believe with no answer. I'm wondering why payments are taking longer than normal for LS to mail out. Linkshare has been pretty good lately about getting payments out pretty quik once they receive them from the merchants.

    One merchant sent March payment April 23rd and I'm still showing waiting for merchant to pay.

    Another shows Feb payment paid April 16th and I still show waiting for merchant to pay. Why the big delays lately??? Thanks for your response.

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    Old habits ARE hard to break!

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    yeah gameboy, it was me....I finally got a check but never had my question answered. LOL

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    Mary, I'm glad you finally got your check. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif>


    Leader,

    [img]tongue.gif[/img] and

    And taken from another post. Your still the sh*ts though! I mean that in a good way! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

    [ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: GameBoy ]

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    Sorry if I was delayed in getting back to any post. I am in the process of passing off this responsibility to someone else who can be here to answer your questions everyday. With regard to payments going out late, I looked into it and from the metrics and clearing statements we get from the bank there have been no noticeable changes in the speed we are sending out checks. As a gut check I spoke to the person in charge to see if he knew of any issues. He did not know of anything in particular that would cause any of our affiliates to not get their checks in a timely way. One last area I looked into was the missing payment area that we launched for affiliates last quarter. This also showed no anomalous activities. Could you please let me know what merchants you are having problems with and how long the checks have been delayed for. I will be happy to look into it further if you think I am missing anything.

    Stephen

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    Hi Steve, I'm showing that one of the checks has been sent now. The other one that I have been waiting for is ABCinkjets. I'm showing that they paid march payments to Linkshare on April 23rd. Thats a little over 2 weeks ago. For some reason it seemed like Linkshare was getting the checks right out usually within a week. Out of curiousity, what is the check cutting system there? Does it happen on certain dates in the month?
    Thanks!

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    Check Received!!! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon12.gif>

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    The world must be coming to an end!!

    The signs are all there:

    Strange weather, unexpected warfare, oddball natural phenomenon...LINKSHARE PAYING UP...

    What else could explain it?

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    Linkshare keeps the money for 5-7 business days (which is 2 weeks) before sending it out. This was confirmed by a Linkshare affiliate support member.

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    Whatsa matter, Leader, you pick all the duds at LS? lol...

    I've actually got FOUR, count 'em FOUR checks from LS merchants (four different merchants, even) sitting on my desk right this very minute.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>This was confirmed by a Linkshare affiliate support member. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Linkshare support actually gave real (useful) information, TOO? :eek:

    Things are definitely strange in the world today...

    (Although I have to note that the terminology "Linkshare affiliate support member" sounds rather corporate... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] )


    Cedric, I just saw that post of yours... it's beginning to seem that way!!! Although maybe more non-duds have appeared there since I last stepped in the minefield area. I hit 15 duds in a row before!

    When I saw GameBoy complaining that retook the cake for me--I was genuinely surprised--no, SHOCKED--to see the post of checks received before H froze!

    [ 05-10-2002: Message edited by: Leader ]

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    heh-heh. Yeah, I've got these four that actually pay monthly and convert well.

    Now, I do also have a handful that were my newbie mistakes and I'll never make their minimums. I decided to cut my losses on those (we're talking a buck or two per merchant) and stopped promoting them, so there is about $10 of mine that LS will get to keep. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    "Which is why I'll always feature CJ merchants over Linkshare. I have a handful of GREAT merchants at LS, but I only use LS merchants where I KNOW I can sell the product or because someone else has recommended the merchant to me.~Cedric (From This Thread)"

    On second thought, it looks like getting checks from LS isn't all that common for you either, Cedric...

    Core's experience in that thread pretty much matches my own...when a check actually came, that is...

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    whoa, whoa -- quote taken out of context!!

    The issue I was referring to in the other thread was NOT deadbeats, but the lack of consolidated payment.

    I DO have LS merchants who pay regularly. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    And hey, I've got deadbeats at LS AND at CJ. Just at CJ they're deadbeats for a shorter period of time because they get deactivated. And yeah, I've got a merchant or two at LS two months in arrears -- I've got transactions from MARCH that are still "extended" at CJ (unless that changed today)-- what's the diff?

    The reason I'll always choose CJ over LS is not payment reliability, but CONSOLIDATED PAYMENT, first, last, and always. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The reason I'll always choose CJ over LS is not payment reliability, but CONSOLIDATED PAYMENT, first, last, and always. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If Linkshare consolidated payments, to begin with, there wouldn't be a CJ!

    Haiko

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    Cedric--Points taken...although at least at CJ they only get one "extended" period, after which I know whether to call the bank or start cussing!

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"If Linkshare consolidated payments, to begin with, there wouldn't be a CJ!~Haiko"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I disagree! Things like CJ's relatively low start-up fee for merchants and nonexclusivity (also for merchants) come to mind right away as reasons there would DEFINITELY be a CJ, with or without consolidated payments at LS!

    Also, some of us like having over 1,000 merchants to choose from. A LOT.

    And it's much easier to find a new merchant, or a particular merchant, at CJ. "Little things" like the interface DO count!

    Plus, while LS gets a lot of big-name merchants, the ones that actually convert usually are NOT those merchants. CJ's are at the perfect size--big enough to actually inspire enough confidence to sell something, but still small enough that people just caaaan't seem to remember their URLs--so the customers come through affiliate links. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    And there are less of those 1-day cookie merchants at CJ. Remember that when they started, they had that 45-day minimum cookie which was another big leg up over LS. The legacy of that long cookie still remains, with most CJ merchants going for at least 30 days...

    LS is getting better, based on recent reports, but until recently they couldn't even hold a candle to CJ!

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    Leader, ROTFLMAO!!! You too funny about the changes in the world. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif> Now as for what I said here in this post is nothing. I think if you count my complaints about company's CJ is wayyyyy ahead in the complaint business.

    As to what Haiko said, he is absolutely correct IMO. CJ can have as low of a start up fee as they want but if they don't have affiliates to sell the merchants stuff(because they all went to LS once they switched to Consolidated Payments) It isn't going to do the merchant or CJ any good. Sooner or later CJ will realize they have to change their tracking methods. Until then they are standing on thin ice just waiting for a company that actually tracks, has a fraud and compliance team in place to take over. And trust me, I believe that is what the other company's are working on. As soon as they do CJ is pretty much history. The worse thing is if they only would of listened to the complaints they might have been able to save themselves.

    Affiliate, lol to 5-7(2 weeks). Isn't it funny how online math differs from the real world. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Affiliate, lol to 5-7(2 weeks). Isn't it funny how online math differs from the real world.
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    GameBoy,

    I said 5-7 BUSINESS days, which, if you include weekends is 2 weeks [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    "If Linkshare consolidated payments, to begin with, there wouldn't be a CJ! ..Haiko"

    You nailed it haiko. CJ had the balls to make a move 1 year ago and kick out CPC deals -establish transparency with EPC and promote their Non-exclusing clause and consolidated payments for enabling immediate commissions, no matter how small, to new merchant linking choices. LS or BeFree could have posted an average "click to sales" ratio for each merchant and taken off the edge of no consolidated payments. Why wouldn't their merchants want to show that simple ratio figure ..and then try to improve it??? If I saw LL Bean jump from 1 sale per 600 clicks to 1 sale per 200 clicks ..I'd signup, seek the converting creatives or just showcase them!

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    "Until then they [CJ] are standing on thin ice just waiting for a company that actually tracks, has a fraud and compliance team in place to take over. And trust me...~GameBoy"

    LOL, Unless you have been standing in the offices of LinkSnare, it is your opinion that LS will implement enough changes to touch CJ, but that's not enough to base my trust on!

    And I have to say that *in general* I like CJ's tracking. There's a few sour notes (Good Luck finding a place without any!) but overall I'm satisfied. Ask a car dealer why...

    Personally I see the CJ/LS rivalry continuing for a long time, since LS just refuses to wither up and die despite all the leading innovation from CJ (that Mike mentioned)... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    BTW, glad you liked my "end of the world" joke.

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    Leader,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>LOL, Unless you have been standing in the offices of LinkSnare, it is your opinion that LS will implement enough changes to touch CJ, but that's not enough to base my trust on!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    For me they have already touched CJ. Linkshare out performs CJ month after month for me. As a matter of fact most of the other company's bring in more money for me than CJ even though most of the links on my site are CJ links. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif> I was just hoping for you and the rest and trying to put a flame under CJ's ass to get them to do something with their qksrv tracking and their support, compliance and fraud teams that are in make believe land somewhere! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

    Affiliate, must be my math then. Maybe I am miscounting my earnings and I am really rich. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon12.gif>

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    From my perspective, I hope they (the networks) ALL stay around for a long long time. I hate the thought of having all my eggs in one basket -- I don't want to go down if CJ goes down or LS or Performics.

    LONG LIVE THEM ALL!!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Haiko,

    You may be right about that IF SNARE was run by honest folks, not an ambulance chaser. But then little Stevie would actually have to send out checks and go talk to merchants about not paying and all the BS he hides from and sweeps under the rug.

    And how would he get to pay for the trips to Japan and the Geishas and nights on the Ginza and rooms at the most expensive hotels.

    CJ people are not rocket scientists by any means but they are reasonably honest and they do make at least some effort to help you out - IF YOU ASK AND KEEP ON TOP OF THEM.

    And the checks show up - maybe not all you thought you'd get - but you do get a check.

    Yo Steve, where is my $100 from The Street.
    And my $10,000 from Bluelight, and my $5,000 from All Business, and my $3,000 from ePilot and the list goes on and on and on.

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    >all the BS he hides from and sweeps under the rug.

    Got it in one Fred.

    He's not a nice chap and I'm not suprised he's run screaming from here already 'passing off' the responsibility. Note 'off' not 'on'. Every word he types gives him away. I wouldn't want that man in charge of so much as a pot plant - let alone my finances.

    CJ has its faults. Chief of which is the naive belief that a merchant never signs up as their own affiliate. This seems to me to be the biggest single insanity they collectively possess and next time Todd shows his face I'm not letting him off without a proper answer on that one.

    But still its CJ for me. They show a great corporate naivety, but I'd trust them to f*ck up only unknowingly. With Steve its policy.


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    Cedric,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>From my perspective, I hope they (the networks) ALL stay around for a long long time. I hate the thought of having all my eggs in one basket -- I don't want to go down if CJ goes down or LS or Performics.
    LONG LIVE THEM ALL!!!!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I agree!!! The more competition the better for the affiliates. The worse thing that could happen would be some kind of monopoly!!!

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