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    According to an analysis I conducted today, 106 LinkShare merchants are partnered with Morpheus (often cited as the #1 Parasiteware company)

    This represents 34% of the total 309 merchants partnered with Morpheus, and is the largest total of any of the 4 affiliate networks!

    NOTE: All but 3 of the 309 Morpheus merchant-partners are with either LinkShare, BeFree, Commission Junction or Performics.

    I would appreciate receiving an OFFICIAL comment from LinkShare on this data.

    For reference, here are the LinkShare merchants that are partnered with Morpheus:

    1-800-Flowers (5)
    1Bookstreet
    800Wine (2)
    Astrology
    AT&T
    Auto Accessory
    Avon
    BabyStyle (3)
    Batteries.com (6)
    Bead Room
    Big Yank Sports
    Blindsgalore
    Brigade Quartermasters, Ltd
    Brooks Brothers
    Buy.com (5)
    Cardstar
    Cars Direct
    Cigar.com
    ClassReunionSearch
    Columbia House (2)
    Computers4SURE
    Cooking
    CVS
    dELiA*s (2)
    Delta Airlines
    Delta Vacations
    DermaDoctor
    Disney (6)
    Domestications
    Enterprise
    EZIBA (6)
    Florist
    Fossil
    Fossil Watches
    Fragrance Net
    Franklin Mint (2)
    FTD.COM
    Furniture Online (2)
    Gaiam (2)
    Gardener's Supply Company (2)
    Golfballs.com
    Great Classic Movies
    GreatFlowers
    GreenMarketplace (2)
    Hickory Farms
    HiFi (2)
    Hotels at Anywhere
    Hotwire (4)
    Ice.com (2)
    Illuminations
    J Crew
    J&R Computer/Music World (4)
    Jewelry Spotlight (2)
    Jewelry Web (2)
    L.L. Bean (4)
    Landscape USA (2)
    LaParfumerie
    Linen Place
    Magazines.com
    McAfee
    Medifocus
    Merlite
    Mikasa (2)
    Music Yo
    Nabisco Gifts
    Office Depot
    Office Furniture
    Office Max (3)
    Orbitz (5)
    Oriental Trading Company (2)
    Overstock (14)
    Par Golf Gear (2)
    Paul Fredrick (2)
    Performance Bicycle (2)
    Performance Products
    PetMed Express
    Physicians Choice
    Reeds Jewelers
    Register.com
    REI
    Ritz Camera
    Ross Simons
    Sephora (2)
    Sharper Image (2)
    Smallflower (2)
    Smart Home
    Smarter Kids
    Snoopy Store
    SnowTrader
    Stress Less
    Szul
    Tech Depot
    Terry?s Village
    Terry's Village Catalog
    The Company Store
    The Golf Warehouse
    TheBabyOutlet (2)
    Things Remembered
    Tupperware
    USA Hotel Guide (3)
    Viking Office Products
    Vitamin Shoppe.com
    Wal-Mart (12)
    Wicks End
    Yak Pak
    Your Active Pet

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    Althought this is definitely not from LinkShare, I do have a statement - So What?!

    What is Morpheus doing today that makes them in violation of anything but past trust Edwin? Yep, they were indeed parasites. Doesn't appear that follows currently.

    I will take LinkShare at their word however, that should they start their parasitic ways once again, they will be shut down as an affiliate - period.

    Obstinatedon

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What is Morpheus doing today that makes them in violation of anything but past trust Edwin? Yep, they were indeed parasites. Doesn't appear that follows currently.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That's the whole crux of the matter. While you and others are of the opinion that they are currently no longer parastic, there are others here that feel they still are. That has been the debate going on in many of the forums. I would hazard a guess that Edwin is of the school of thought that they are still currently parastic, hence his post.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What is Morpheus doing today that makes them in violation of anything but past trust Edwin? Yep, they were indeed parasites. Doesn't appear that follows currently.

    I will take LinkShare at their word however, that should they start their parasitic ways once again, they will be shut down as an affiliate - period. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Haven't we been down this road already ? How many chances do they deserve ?

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    Hmmmm.... "How many chances do they deserve?"

    They deserve the right to continue to do business provided they don't steal - period. Their methodology in the past was preditory to say the least. They have had more than just their hand slapped of late, and have actively done something about it; therefore, they have the right to continue to conduct commerce honestly.

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    I have to agree with Obstinatedon
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> they have the right to continue to conduct commerce honestly. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    honestly being the word that counts most. But should they ever step over the line again they should be banned sin-die from all networks.
    The other point being if the networks really mean what they are saying they should ban them without any prompting from us.

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    Gordon, after that post, your sign-off line should be You Rock!

    Obstinatedon

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    Anyone know what Linkshares deal with merchants is? Do they get a percentage of the affiliate commission, set fee, set amount per month or what?


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    Obstinatedon what is to prevent Morpheus from modifying or reverse engineering a Kowabunga affiliate script and running their own merchant network rather then live within restrictive rules? Do you think they want to be restricted to just cherry picking and monitizing their own merchants SE listings -bookmarks and e-mail campaign links.

    Even the dumbest of the dumb AM's out there will not be able to hide from their bosses they're getting double dipped on advertising ROI's for long. What happens when their merchants wiseup and revolt or restrict them to monitizing their Buyersport.com domain links only. These wanks will not take the time or effort to build an EcomCity.com and have to pay for good converting targeted traffic. Their millions of users are P2P music and porn file thieves who probably shop with shared stolen credit card lists. No wonder the ABWers scratch their heads and moan about CJ merchants carrying a 50+ % reversal ratio.

    My feeling they are just stalling and playing the Good ecommerce NETizen to get a good Holiday season under their belts. They may not get a chance when the FBI and Local cops bust the 12,000 Kiddie porn file sharers they have documented right down to the arrest warrants the first few weeks in October. I'm sure Morpheus along with Grockster -LimeWire and Kazaa share in the responsibility and media backlash.

    Since your an expert on everything having to do with the affiliate networks Obstinatedon, what reaction do you think management at Walmart -eToys -Kbtoys -eHobbies -Overstock -SchoolPop -Barnes & Knoble and others who sell kids stuff to moms and dads will say when the Media Hounds sniff under the covers to see who's monitizing and subsidizing the P2P child pornographers.

    Maybe Amazon wasn't just lucky to decide early to distance themselves from the parents outrage if the full story breaks. Be nice to see on MSNBC's "Hardball" a face to face with BluesX and Haiko or Steve Messer facing the Morpheus spokesman. Heck if I could plug EcomCity and ABW I'd face off with you on the issues!

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    Damn Mike...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Their millions of users are P2P music and porn file thieves who probably shop with shared stolen credit card lists. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Listen, you and I have had a running battle for years, but unless you have absolute, irrefutable proof of that statement, I suggest you edit that out of your post.

    The very last thing any of us need is a libel suit pal. And, this being a public forum - albeit with username and password, unless you have proof - that is indeed libel.

    BTW, I have never once in all the years on the boards and doing this business claimed to be an expert on the affiliate networks. I do however believe them to be a perfect conduit to keep dollars in my wallet.

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    Sorry if this is a dumb question, but Edwin; what do the numbers means next to the merchants name in your list? For example the first merchant listed is 1-800-Flowers (5). What does the (5) mean?
    Thanks

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    &gt;They may not get a chance when the FBI and Local cops bust the 12,000 Kiddie porn file sharers

    Surely Morpheus, who have stated that they are sending money to a place in New York for disabled kiddies via the Lexy Foundation, wouldn't have anything to do with child abuse?

    Because we all know how rare that is in childrens homes and the like.

    Imagine what someone, like say, a journalist might make of that connection. And imagine the aspersions that might be cast upon innocent merchants like Shawn who are working hard, but not terribly quickly, to resolve the situation.


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I do however believe them to be a perfect conduit to keep dollars in my wallet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The dollars that don't get skimmed off by the parasites, that is ...

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    Obstinatedon said with a vengence:
    "Listen, you and I have had a running battle for years, but unless you have absolute, irrefutable proof of that statement, I suggest you edit that out of your post."

    I'll go you one better on your rant. The FBI along with the child porn file sharing IP mapping stingg group have already busted many P2P network users for placing fresh stolen credit card information with coded access to those seeking this type of information.

    I further agree to take the risk of a libel suit by directly e-mailing many CJ merchants who are on the Morpheus -Limewire -Kazaa lists who are currrently running 50-98% reversal ratios mostly from bad credit card sales. I wasn't very polite about it either. Many choose not to respond to the initial nice warnings I sent them over a month ago. If you got off your pontificating righteous butt and put forth some effort getting to the root of these obvious abuses maybe the lame people running these affiliate programs won't be accused of being reversal thieves.

    You want some proof then deserve the right to get it based upon what you do with the proof to stamp out the abuses...pompus windbag! Try logging into your CJ account and explain away eHobbies reversal rate while digesting the fact that Morpheus accounted for the hijacking the majority of their sales during those high reversal periods.

    Then come back here with a public apology or better yet ...just go away.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>They deserve the right to continue to do business provided they don't steal - period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I must say, I don't understand on what basis you can make such an absolutist statment!

    Personally, I think there are dangerous implications to that line of thinking. If Morpheus is allowed to continue their business after being a known parasite BECAUSE they no longer steal (a fact, which, as you point out is highly controversial), then it follows other companies too ought be allowed to use parasitic tactics until they get caught (at which point they must stop, but can continue on as regular affiliates). So this system of "justice" allows anybody to be proprietors of parasiteware until (or if) they get caught, with no significant penalty. Kind of a weird, and very unfair system if you ask me.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>They have had more than just their hand slapped of late, and have actively done something about it; therefore, they have the right to continue to conduct commerce honestly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If they have gotten away with their past activities with no financial or criminal consequences, then I equate that with having had their hand slapped. The bad press of late, as has worked out for others in the past, may end up being a lot of free advertising for them and work to their ultimate advantage.

    As it stands right now, I would only *begin* to consider it just that Morpheus should be allowed to continue to do business if they made financial retribution for the money they made through parasitic activities, and a public apology. Have they made such a show of good faith?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by emione:
    Sorry if this is a dumb question, but Edwin; what do the numbers means next to the merchants name in your list? For example the first merchant listed is 1-800-Flowers (5). What does the (5) mean? Thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, I cut and pasted the Linkshare portion of the original list, which is at the link in my first post in this thread.

    On that post, I listed all merchants at all affiliate networks that are listed on Buyersport.com.

    The figure in () represents the number of times that merchant was listed on Buyersport.com, in different shopping categories.

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    Sorry Mike, have a life and had to attend to it before responding to your usual infantile ramblings.

    You sir, have no earthly idea what I have, or have not done in order to help bring this to a head. If you did, and if you actually had a single functioning synapse in what appears to be a badly miscalculating neural network; you would be the one to apologize. As for getting you to leave, I have been trying to do that for years.

    BTW, if you need any help with the above due to multisyllable words, try dictionary.com.

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    Thanks for the response Edwin; sorry I should have checked the link in your original post.

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    We just removed Buyersport from our program a few minutes ago.

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    I agree with those that think Morpheus should be taken down!

    It's one thing for Morpheus to direct people that are looking for something to an affiliate merchant, but it's totally inexcusable for them to manipulate the cookies so that it looks like they directed them to a merchant.

    Why should they get a second chance?

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    Edwin

    Hello From J&R

    With all respect please remove our name from the list of morpheus merchants.

    We removed them from our program in the beginning of October.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Debra @ J&R:
    We removed them from our program in the beginning of October.
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    That's great news - another merchandiser feed provider moves from the dark side [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    I was wondering if anyone has heard of "TopClicks.net" and if they are parasitic in anyway . . . . someone I was speaking to said that they heard it has a ride along like Morpheus and LimeWire did.

    FYI - I heard from an affiliate devel team person that the guy from Ebates spoke at the NYC meeting yesterday and that he can assure me that Ebates is NOT a parasite. Perhaps Sarah can fill us in on the details?

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    Of course eBates is a parasite, and J&R is letting/helping them steal my money.

    When an ebates user clicks on my J&R product links, ebates redirects it to the homepage thru their affiliate code, thus grabbing commissions after I paid for the traffic and worked on the site, and after J&R said they would pay me for such sales.

    What a ripoff.

    I think all of those ecomworks programs are in with ebates, it makes them look good to their merchant customers who are too Stupid to question it.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CrazyGuy:
    That's great news - another merchandiser feed provider moves from the dark side [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    In my defense, I posted that way back before I realised that there were other predators around other than morpheus.

    All those weeks ago. So naive ...

    eBates is cropping up daily now in my dealings with (potential) merchants, but this is a good reminder that it's principles and practices that make you "clean" - not any one relationship.

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