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    Big Rant Ahead!!!
    Anyone else come across this problem lately?
    You apply to a program and they turn you down and the reason is that you do not fit the "theme" of their program?
    Well,shoot, look at the sites in our profile, most of us have more than one..
    Or are they so quick to hit the reject button so fast that they can't take 30 seconds to see all sites listed?
    The best part was, I applied to a site this morning and they turned me down within 30 minutes saying I did not fit in with their theme..
    Later in the afternoon I get an email to the domain addy from the same person who rejected me this morning saying they found my site in the SE and think I would be a good match for their program, and would I like to sign up for their affiliate program.
    You can bet they got a nice email back telling them what they could do with their program.....

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    Yeah its quite wierd Ladyboss, Some merchants dont even understand how I promote there products, and they reject me instead of looking at my description or contact me directly.

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    Well! You should consider yourself lucky to at least have been deemed as "not fitting the theme"! Sometimes us non-US type people get rejected out of hand without so much as a by your leave simply because we happen to domicile in other parts of the globe. Hrmph!

    Seriously, it does make one wonder sometimes.

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    People are different....

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    We were rejected by one program because we have classified ads on our site. I questioned the network and they asked if anybody read the ads before they were printed then posted. Duh, yeah. Oh, they said, re-apply in 30 days and you'll be approved.
    Ummm, suuuuuuuure, we'll "re-apply" in 30 days. You can book it. No. Really, we will.
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    From an AM's perspective...

    quote:
    Originally posted by Ladyboss:
    You apply to a program and they turn you down and the reason is that you do not fit the "theme" of their program?


    Some merchants are selective because they want to "protect their image". Personally, as long as it's not a porn, spam or scam site, I don't mind people joining our program. The more sources of traffic the better.

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    Originally posted by Ladyboss:
    Well,shoot, look at the sites in our profile, most of us have more than one..
    Or are they so quick to hit the reject button so fast that they can't take 30 seconds to see all sites listed?


    Perhaps this AM saw so many sites that he/she figured something was wrong. This merchant doesn't seem to be on auto-approve and looking at a list of affiliate sites is a BIG task, especially for a selective merchant.

    Before CJ refined the rules that made it easier to auto-approve, we manually checked each site. It's a scary job looking at affilaite sites with pop-up's, pop-unders, banners, redirects, auto installs, slow loading sites and everything else.

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    Originally posted by Ladyboss:
    The best part was, I applied to a site this morning and they turned me down within 30 minutes saying I did not fit in with their theme.


    At least they had the courtesy to look at your application in a timely manner. I have apps that have been pending for months.

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    Originally posted by Ladyboss:
    Later in the afternoon I get an email to the domain addy from the same person who rejected me this morning saying they found my site in the SE and think I would be a good match for their program, and would I like to sign up for their affiliate program.


    Not too smart...

    Why not send them a link to ABW. I learned a lot since I was invited here a few months ago, they probably will too.

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    quote:
    Before CJ refined the rules that made it easier to auto-approve, we manually checked each site. It's a scary job looking at affilaite sites with pop-up's, pop-unders, banners, redirects, auto installs, slow loading sites and everything else.
    Yep. This is the part I would dread with being an affiliate manager. I bet ya'll get thos pages that have the one link, and thats all - boxer shorts, click here! lol

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    Scott,
    Thanks for the AM perspective on things.
    The site in question was more along the lines of an online community for women and is a very normal site,and it was a women's product I was after.
    The account in question only has 4 sites in the account, so not a big deal to even click thru.
    I realize the rejection was rather prompt, and I'll give them kudos for that. lol.
    I recieved another email from them this morning, from another person in so called "charge" asking if I want to join there program..
    I really blasted them a good one this morning, don't think I'll be hearing from them for awhile..

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    I think there's a cure for the "Clueless Affiliate Managers Syndrome..."

    It's called ABestWeb.

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    Here's somewhere that Befree scores over CJ.. if I apply to a program at Befree, I can specify the individual sites I want to publish the merchant's products on, rather than apply with ALL the dozens I have in my portfolio.

    When you bear in mind the massive range of products in the CJ catalog, from an "Encore Vacuum Erection Device" to kitchen sinks, you can see the scope for confusion.. I'm unlikely to mix the two on the same site, but with CJ the possibility is always there.

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    "Encore Vacuum Erection Device"
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    Dynamoo, I'm afraid to even guess how you ran across that...

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    Especially in the same sentence as kitchen sink.

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    LMAO Since I had actually been putting up a CJ link (for a non parasite program) I took a look at the absurdity of them offering such a thing.
    Yepper there it is. That vacuum thingy.
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    Wait till the spammers see this one to start spamming us with

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    They are related, they have to do with plumbing problems.

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    Since I started out in this industry as an affiliate, what always got me was the applications that took months to approve! I mean, come on - it's a freakin affiliate application, not some government thing! As an AM, besides offering auto approval except on certain sites/locations, I review all apps within hours. If you got a potential partner that wants to work with you, get them in your program ASAP!!

    As for the original topic of this thread, I must say that what Ladyboss experienced is sort of the "norm" in the industry. Pathetic if you ask me. Taking a cue from Webmaster Mike I'll say this: "Instead of the networks pushing BHO's et al on affiliate managers, they should teach AM's how to do their job!"

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    quote:
    Instead of the networks pushing BHO's et al on affiliate managers, they should teach AM's how to do their job!


    Well Akiva when you stop adding more programs under your belt, and or get bored, you know what your next calling can be. I'm sure you could provide some great seminars and make some nice extra cash.

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    Seems like me and Andy at TigerDirect are missing the boat by not selling "mouse rubbers" to the masses. Look at the prospects even here at ABW...
    "Before CJ refined the rules that made it easier to auto-approve, we manually checked each site. It's a scary job looking at affilaite sites with pop-up's, pop-unders, banners, redirects, auto installs, slow loading sites and everything else."

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    I think rewriting the Account Manager so that you can apply with individual sites to individual merchants would be a win-win situation. Less mucking around and worry for the AMs, and more chance of getting approved for publishers.

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    As an AM, I have been conducting a little research myself regarding the application process (on BeFree, not CJ). Essentially, for a new application that comes in, we review the content of the site and then send a contact email personalized to each applicant that introduces and welcomes the applicant. We ask to learn further from the publisher/affiliate on what their site is about and to how we can "kick off" the relationship so to speak.

    I have been doing this for just over a week and of the 93 applications processed, I have received confirmation from only 20 that they are eager to participate. Of the 20, many send back comments that it is refreshing to get a real person to talk to. Yet I have about 67 introduction letters that remain unanswered? I plan to follow up with a phone call/email to the 67. It seems in the past when applications are approved, not much tends to happen.

    Can I get a publisher's perspective on whether they would respond or go forward with the application process? On CJ, we typically just approve all non-porn related site, which works but on BeFree we have experienced the exact opposite.

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    I'd rather not have to explain to an AM what I want to do with his links. And I'd probably just go elsewhere if it looked like I wouldn't get approved without jumping through hoops.

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    quote:
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    I have been doing this for just over a week and of the 93 applications processed, I have received confirmation from only 20 that they are eager to participate.
    Well, I never really considered that a confirmation notice would be anything more than that, I'm sure that the other 73 never even read the whole thing to see that you wanted feedback. Hmm, for that matter, even if they read it they could have assumed it was just part of a form letter that someone wrote up at the beginning of the program.

    Too, I would think that the fact that someone applied would be an indication of eagerness in itself, no?

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    Many probably apply to several programs in a verticle market at the same time upon hitting on a page building idea. They then set about building the pages before contacting the merchants. I know I usually wait till I have some click action before exchanging ideas. Newbees often sign up for everything at once and then forget to place links.

    Put the approval on auto pilot and the personalized e-mail should go out after you determine they have links up and activated.

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    On CJ, we typically just approve all non-porn related site, which works but on BeFree we have experienced the exact opposite.


    Why in the world would you not approve porn sites from CJ but do just the opposite on Befree?

    Ughhh - just kidding.

    I'm curious - you said you've been doing this for a week. Did you have 93 applications in a week or have those applications build up over a period of time and now you're finally finding time to respond?

    In the past I've had applications sit in the que forever and then after many months get an approval (this happened big time last pre holiday season). These kinds of merchants are the ones that don't get links up for them or generate any interest on my part when I get a response or approved. If this is your case, I'd consider that as part of your problem with reponses as well.

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    Oskars, did you learn anything from Rosalind Gardner's book? What was it that you learned, anything interesting?

    Lastly, did you learn anything about being rejected by merchants?

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    quote:
    Originally posted by missdonna:
    I'd rather not have to explain to an AM what I want to do with his links. And I'd probably just go elsewhere if it looked like I wouldn't get approved without jumping through hoops.


    Yup I agree - I'd move on to the next merchant who sells the same or similiar products before jumping thru hoops to get approved. I also rarely answer my phone and I don't return phone calls to the merchants who call me. Just prefer to be left alone to do what I do best - sell products.

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