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  1. #1
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    Can anyone give me some examples of why LinkShare is a good program?

    I have been in the affiliate program industry full time now for 5 years and still do not have any good results from LinkShare programs. I do 90% of my programs through CJ, which I have had very little problems with and 10% through LinkShare, Befree and other in-house programs.

    I dont understand why I cannot get any of their programs to perform well, when I have tremendouse success with other affiliate networks.

    Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated?

    Thanks.

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    snifterpie,

    I think it can depend on the individual merchant moreso than the network. The few merchants I have dealt with at LinkShare have generally been good.

    Over the last 6 months or so the merchants I have dealt with at CJ have not been performing so well. This is all purely anecdotal of course.

    Another thing is that a couple of big-brand merchants at CJ have simply refused to accept me as an affiliate (no doubt because I am non-US). After numerous emails I have never heard a peep out of any of these merchants.

    With the same thing over at Linkshare I at least got an email back from a merchant explaining their reluctance about non-US affiliates. An explanation was better than nothing.

    As I said, all purely anecdotal.

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    I currently have a little over $1000.00 in earnings from Linkshare this month. Been a long time since I made that much from CJ. Is it the network? Find a product that sells well and I don't think it makes that much difference which network you sell it through.

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    I was not happy with Linkshare a few years ago. I had a bunch of merchants who went belly up and Linkshare did nothing to help me get back my money (No escrow account). I was affiliated also with merchants that were worth cr@p (Mostly big names). But years after years I've been able to discover a few gems (Without their help, no EPC). They don't have consolidated payment, it can be a drawback for newbies but after a while, you're getting your fat checks and the problem is to open too many letters, to register all the data they don't have on their stub and to carry the checks to the bank (No wire transfer). It could be easier.
    I like the fact that they are not playing games with affiliates like CJ is doing. They have a really stable interface. They are not moving things around all the time. You can get things done pretty fast. I think they're serious with their stance about "technology's thieves" and Mr. Messer seems to listen to his affiliate's needs. For me, they are on the right track. If I have to guess where I'll be in the next 3 years, I know for sure I'll be using LS more and more to achieve my goal.

    It's not the big that eat the small... it's the fast that eat the slow. Jennings & Haughton

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    I trust LS to report all sales the AM's send to them. Conversion -Diversion and phoney batch reporting is a major problem at LS. In 5 years with them not once will Stephen or any LS affiliate rep step forward to recommend any specific LS merchant that will overcome this trend. The Great Network Challenge for June shows that 81 LS merchants combined with hundreds of other merchants at CJ and Befree with 3 times the clicks of TD cannot convert the same shoppers worth a hoot! TigerDirect buried them all as if they were junior achievement projects in ecommerce.

    One good AM dedicated to sales ...not clicks or mass traffic..makes the combined efforts of the other 5000 merchants look like childs play. Finding that Jewel at LS and keep them a secret is the game plan. I just don't have the time for the hide and seek game.

    6/16/2003 to 6/29/2003 LS stats on 81 merchants
    Report Totals: impressions=198,660 clicks=1,448 0.68% sales=2 2 (0) 0.14% Gross sales amount=$31.94 commission=$1.60

    ROLMAO at the LS merchant AM's performance on making their sites sell in June. Those BHO's heading for the door and those given the boot must be real active in June like last year.

    TigerDirect stats for same period....
    06/16/2003-06/28/2003 TigerDirect.com impressions=81,404 clicks=1,675 sales=47 Net sales amt=$12,720.31 0 0 returns=1 commission=$457.14

    I haven't updated TD creatives and links for the last 10 days as part of the challenge while spending 30 hours on adding swapping Challenger merchant creatives for the competition. TD's OOS page still sucks but Andy's working on that so I lay the blame squarely on the ebiz plan of the networks and most of those AM's with an advertising mindset.

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    Mike, you have your own way to say things but it's all end up being the truth. You have to keep all your posts and gather them in an ebook.

    It's not the big that eat the small... it's the fast that eat the slow. Jennings & Haughton

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    You probably don't have enough experience with LinkShare if you only use them for less than 10% and CJ 90%.

    Your audience might be more inclined to order from some of the cheapy CJ swill rather than the name merchants on Befree and LS.

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    although praise for LS may draw more attention (=competition) to the network, I have to say that much:

    - they are currently the most affiliate-friendly network
    - they are leaders in gradually cleaning up the parasiteware mess
    - merchant quality and stability is excellent
    - our revenue from LS has consistently been higher than from any other single network, recently taking an impressive upturn too


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    Firstly I have to get in a vote for Mike's posts easily being the most entertaining to read and always informative... He cracks me up to no end, and I mean that in the best sense.

    Now Linkshare... 2 sales in over a year with about 8 or 9 merchants... Granted the number of merchants is low but still pathetic. We have graduated to 3 bar status at CJ and my mostly parasite immune co branded pro shop kills all affiliate merchants put together.

    And one in-house merchant/affiliate program is through the roof EPC wise but the sampling is too small yet so will see...

    But to tie this up and stay on thread, Linkshare is a dud for me including Overstock.com, GigaGolf, TGW, GolfBalls.Com, Alibris, and I won't include a couple others since they are too new to say yet...

    Incredibly disappointing to say the least, and I am seriously considering yanking the whole network so as not to dilute EPC from my performers...

    I have my suspicions with a couple of merchants but I am suprised that sales with GigaGolf and Overstock.Com are non-existent given their price advantages...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have my suspicions with a couple of merchants but I am suprised that sales with GigaGolf and Overstock.Com are non-existent given their price advantages... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah, I have to agree. I don't understand the whole Overstock.com phenomena. I guess it works for some, but I can't figure out why our visitors will pay 40% more to shop at Amazon.com and others.

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    I have no complaints about Linkshare. I make very little from them, but that is because my main merchants are at Performics and CJ. As a network, though, I like them. The reports show what you have sold and they also list what you didn't sell due to various reasons (returns days exceeded (4)).

    I'll be putting Linkshare to much more use once I get a Mondera site up and going. But, other than Mondera (and perhaps now Overstock, again, now that they seem to be coming back from the Dark Side), there really isn't any mercahnts at Linkshare that really either fit well in my sites or are "parasite free" (my new motto, any new sites I build will be BHO merchant free).

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    Having been on all three networks since their inception I can now say all can be trusted to report sales. They're still at the mercy of the merchant Am's and shopping cart interfaces to sppon feed them the filtered data. In a perfect world all merchants would be required to use a network's own shopping cart program. That idea can get corrupted when the cart/ecatalog is controlled by a middleman like GSI or other merchant aggregrator.

    You folks are too kind ...really. I've been yelling about this stuff for years. Don't label me as the Ralph Naider of the affiliate world. That wank defines liberal socialism preached from a soap box along side his clone, Al Sharpton. I just hated the silence from the merchants and networks on important issues they liked to keep hidden from their affiliates and public.

    I don't care if some affiliates want to burn their bras (replacements available at EC from my merchants) or cut off the hands of those who feed them. I do care when any outside factor infringes on fellow ABWers and my own efforts to be value-added resellers and dilute commissions for selected merchants we showcase.

    The Great June Network Challenge is officially over. Tiger Direct was able to outsell my pool of 304 merhants even though what they sell appeals to a wider range of shoppers.

    BeFree shows MTD June at
    Total: impressions=361,054 clicks=5,326 sales=88 Net sales amt=$23,172.16 leads=1 paid clicks=489 returns=3 commish= $831.38

    of the above total TigerDirect accounted for the following stats...

    06/01/2003-06/30/2003 TigerDirect.com impressions=176,675 clicks=3,766 sales=81 Net Sales=$21,522.09 leads=0 paid clicks=0 returns=3 commission=$789.61

    Linkshare combined stats for June 2003

    Report Totals: impressions=492,735 clicks=3,993 0.79% sales=13 returns=(0) 0.34% Net sales amt=$1,115.60 commish=$55.78

    Congrats to Overstock as being the only LS merchant to show a sale from my non-incneted shoppers in June.

    CJ stats for June.

    Totals: Net sales amt=$2,401.97 comish=$169.17 sales=27 leads=1 clicks=5,910 impressions=381,759 CTR=0.018 EPM=$0.49 0.006 EPC=$3.96

    CJ's check was cut ontime as usual and the sales were spread amongst many merchants.

    Those wanting to be a winner in the eyes of their affiliates obviously should follow in the footsteps of TigerDirect's affiliate manager.

    Mike & Charlie ...

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    Thank you guys for your honest input. I have been doing affiliate programs for years and still learn something new every day. I hope that I can find that jewel at LS and can make some decent income from one of their programs. I just worry about the honesty of the merchants at LS since I send them insane amounts of traffic and see little sales, where I can send the same amount to CJ programs and make lots of sales. I am not sure how the programs are policed compared to other networks.

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    Sad to say, LS has gone suddenly and dramatically downhill for me...I'll probably be removing all my links for them. BeFree has NEVER done well for me...not a single merchant (I've tried lots). So, that leaves CJ and my new shining star, Performics, which is doing better than ANY of the other networks ever did.

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