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    Affiliate Marketing Consultant Linda - 5starAffiliatePrograms's Avatar
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    Todd,

    Please tune into this forum and see if you can help with the issue of very popular Spyware programs deleting affiliate cookies.
    http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...9&m=6326040963

    Just for additional information here is how PestControl classifies the CJ cookie as spyware:

    http://pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/Q/Qks...are_Cookie.asp

    What is CJ's stance on this and is there any way you can deal with these companies so they do not classify CJ cookies as spyware and delete them???

    Thanks in advance for looking into just one more black hole that affiliate commissions (and CJ revenue) can drop into.

    Linda Buquet ~ Affiliate Management Consultant ~ Catalyst eMarketing.com
    Representing www.5StarAffiliatePrograms.com: DentalPlans|Irv's Luggage|Executive Essentials|IntellicontactPro|zZounds|Roadloans

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    We are aware of this product and others like it. Additionally, many virus programs offer ad blocking features.

    Their descriptinon of our cookies is correct. The fact that they wish to block us is out of our control. They also block other networks and ad serving technologies like GAIN, ValueClick, Atlas and DoubleClick (not to mention our direct competitors).

    They also have their own in-house affiliate program, if anyone wants to join.

    These products are for paranoid people who most likely do not buy online. Disabling or deleting cookies provides a very poor user experience and prevents most shopping carts from processing online orders.

    Todd Crawford
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    I really hope you don't seriously mean their description of your cookies is correct. Do you know what they are saying about your cookies and 1 x 1 pixels?? Better do a bit of reading on this board.

    Actually they (Aluria) in their software say that your cookie is a keylogger. I don't believe that would be a correct characterization of the CJ cookie's.

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    Tod is obviously refering to the following being accurate:

    "May collect info on Referrers (HTTP Referrers, Top-level Domains, Search Engines, Keywords, Quality Index, Frequency Index, Newsgroup Referrers, and E-mail Referrers), Visitor statistics (Major ISPs, Hostnames, Browsers, OSes, Countries, Timezones, Plug-Ins, Screens, Colors, Java, and JavaScript), and more."

    Anyway, these Pest Patrol fold and others have been very strongly endorsed among affiliates as a way to rid people's computers of stealware, and such....now these affiliates can rethink their endorsements when their affiliate cookies are erased as well.

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    Ms. B:

    I have to add in here. Our product does NOT call CJ a key logger. They are a spyware cookie. Period. Please recheck your post.

    In addition, if any of the companies that are detected in our software and in other anti-spyware software will simply change their cookie not to track the user's surfing preferences, etc. we will not detect them. There are dozens of affiliate programs out there that are not using spyware cookies.

    There have been many many times where a spyware company or cookie has contacted us and explained that they are no longer spyware and we investigate and remove them.

    We have no desire to hurt anyone, only to protect privacy.

    thanks,

    Jamie Garrison
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    How long have anyone know that this blocking or deleting cookie is going on?

    If that is the case shouldn't it been corrected already?
    So we don't have to discuss this issue right now?

    This is bigger than what anyone can think of!


    Affiliate have to deal with shady merchants, networks not tracking properly, scumware, cookie blocker etc...

    Everytime someone says foul play, we get some round around on this is and that!

    Something has to be done on this issue and it's really frustrating to deal with all of it and no one is protecting us (with ethics!) affiliates!

    I know that most of the honest affiliate is feeling hopeless, but still trying our best to get by for the sake of our family!

    Anyone can say what ever they want to say and hoping we can understand, because they are not the one who is wearing our shoes!



    I pray so hard that one day this issue will have some light shining and give us some break!

    The smart and honest one will come through for us all affiliate that trying their best to make it in this business without going on the dark side!

    I been wondering why I get higher click through on my CJ acct. for the last couple of months and my conversion went to the drain!


    Geez...
    what else is there that we don't know?

    excuses excuses!

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    quote:
    Jamie said:
    Our product does NOT call CJ a key logger. They are a spyware cookie. Period. Please recheck your post.



    Jamie, please recheck your software. I posted this pic last night in the other thread and asked the question there. For what ever reason, you ARE calling the CJ cookie a keylogger. As well as other network cookies. Of course this is not the case, the network cookies are NOT keyloggers. Again, please check the description being provided to users through your software, software that I downloaded and installed last evening. I will post a close up of the relevant part that I posted last night.

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    The Garrisons, Missy Ward, AffiliateForce, CasinoAffiliateForce ....

    The same people trying again to gain CJ affiliates to push their Casino/Porn industry.

    How ironic it is that folks like these try to protect people from "spyware cookies", but they themselves are advocates of such things like predatory software and obnoxious multiple pop-ups to promote their casino and porn endeavors.

    "Keeping it fair in Casino RevShare" you say? Fair for yourself.

    Station yourself in Curacao or any island you desire. When the time is right your operation will be shut down.

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    "These products are for paranoid people who most likely do not buy online. "

    I agree, I don't think it is a factor for us. But that's up to others. It does piss me off that some spyware "catchers" rank parasitic affiliates differently, or not at all. That's pretty sad, and the thing folks should still be pressing Jamie about.

    and...
    Kelly626, what are you talking about?


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    Kelly is wanting they themselves to ask such a question....shhh

    Then I'll drop the bomb.

    Paranoid people...I love them. They need referal endorsements before they buy. I tell why their paranoid thoughts are legit and why my merchants will treat them right.

    Anyway, my advise: Never promote anything for these Casino/Porn folks who prey on your teen children who are simply looking for Britney Spears or free MP3s.

    If you'll push this software, you might as well push freemp3blaster, rapidblaster/pornpictures4you and the like. Does it matter who's hand I put money in? Yes, to me... I can't support people with bad ethics/morals whatsoever.

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    What a surprise, a software that caught Commission Junction spying! When are you affiliates going to wake up and drop this predator!

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Bradley Professional Business Services:
    When are you affiliates going to wake up and drop this predator!




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    I hope this isn't off topic or in the wrong forum.

    I was curious about just how much parasite ware is out there so I ran a test using some javascript from http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/ that I modified to write to a database and I noticed the following parasites found over a one hour period at one of my sites. Over this period there were a total of 333 unique visitors with 32 parasites found, about 10 %. I don't know if any of these delete CJ cookies or how they effect sales - any feed back would be appreciated.

    Count Parasite Name
    1 BDE
    1 CnsMin
    8 CometCursor
    1 Comload
    2 DialerOffline
    1 FreeScratchAndWin/v5
    5 HotBar
    1 HuntBar/BTIn
    3 HuntBar/BTLink
    2 IEAccess/IEDial
    2 IGetNet/v4
    1 ILookup/Ineb
    1 InternetWasher
    4 lop/Toolbar
    2 MoneyTree/NSUpdate
    11 MySearch/MySearch
    7 MySearch/MyWay
    1 NetworkEssentials/ME
    11 NewDotNet/B
    1 Onflow
    1 OnlineDialer/MaConnect
    1 RapidBlaster/AInst
    12 SaveNow/Db
    1 ShopNav/SN
    1 StripPlayer
    4 TinyBar/B
    7 TopText
    1 Transponder
    3 Transponder/MSView
    1 UCmore
    1 webHancer
    3 Xupiter


    Cheers

    Richard

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    While running the new ad-aware last night, I noticed CJ, Befree and others showing up as tracking cookie.

    If you don't know better, you will delete them all with ad-aware.

    While I like what ad-aware does, this is just another thing eating into our clicks.

    John

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    why2kit,

    You are AWESOME - that is the type of testing I was hoping someone would do so we can identify how much of a threat to affiliate commissions is really out there.

    I think you should maybe post this in the midnight cafe where it will get more exposure and feedback.

    TeamPB,

    That's exactly my concern with all these anti- adware and anti-spyware programs. The average uninformed surfer will just delete all cookies assuming they are all BAD if they are listed.

    Linda Buquet ~ Affiliate Management Consultant ~ Catalyst eMarketing.com
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    quote:
    What a surprise, a software that caught Commission Junction spying!


    Brad, your conspiracy theories never cease to amaze me. Commission Junction does not spy or track information on individual users. We track and pay commissions - that's all.

    Todd Crawford
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    I think Brad's post speak directly to my concern. If you do not understand the cookies, you will allow your ad-aware, parasite killing software to delete/block/kill these tracking cookies.

    John

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    In response to Aluria flagging CJ's cookies as spyware Todd said:

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    Their descriptinon of our cookies is correct.


    And then he says:

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    Commission Junction does not spy or track information on individual users.




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