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    Has anyone paid the fee to be included in Inktomi? Do you think it is something worth while doing? Any comments, suggestions or advise on this would be great.
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    I've paid for about 20 urls at Inktomi.. some bring in a lot of traffic.. best thing is, you can see the number of clicks on their control panel - if one of your pages isn't getting many hits you can switch to another url for no extra charge

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    I paid for a listing in inktomi through ineedhits.com on Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:37:34.

    Now I don't see my sites there on Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:59.

    What gives? I thought this was supposed to be fast 48 hour acceptance! I paid $45 for two URL's here...show me some results!

    I plan to report back with how successful the inktomi listings prove to be in a week or two.

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    Peter Kirby,

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    Inktomi paid inclusion has been a great investment for me. 48 hour refreshes, if you understand SEO then you should be able to place well after just a couple weeks of trying.

    There are a few partners but I use Position Tech. Never had a complaint, and I highly reccomend it.

    Good Luck

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    Slurp keeps hitting the sites I run, but they never show in the hotbot indoex or in the other inktomi partner sites. These same sites do fairly well in Google. Anyone know if the requirements for google/inktomi are that different?

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    I've been hearing they are totally different beasts. Keyword density titles and headings are factored into ink but google is textlinks textlinks and textlinks.

    Jim Brausch has made many posts now lost at CJ but has made a few here also regarding google but inktomi is another world altogether.

    I don't have much luck with hotbot myself. It seems I will have a listing and then suddenly it's gone. Have to resubmit and then it's two weeks until they add it again. I do use the paid ink submission and have had better luck with that but the traffic I've gotten is not all that much.

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    Jim is right that Google pays strong attention to inbound links, but he does people few favours when he keeps saying that all you need to think about is going after links, and page content doesn't matter.

    A wise marketing strategy will pay attention to both factors. Links and content *both* matter.

    My experience has been that if you start with keyword focused, content-rich pages it doesn't take nearly as many links to rise high in Google. Plus, with a quality page you have a better chance to keep those inbound links when other webmasters clean house!

    Descriptive copy on well-constructed pages will also improve your chances to be found in other engines besides Google. Google is a 900-pound gorilla, but there's no reason not to make friends with other beasts in the search engine jungle too! Optimize your pages to please a different search engine (or an assortment), develop some link popularity to please Google, and get the best of both worlds.

    And guess what else? Well-written, informative copy does a better job of actually selling stuff ... but that's a discussion for another day.

    There are some good tutorials at http://spider-food.net/ . Webmistress already mentioned this site in another thread; it's well worth a visit.

    Elisabeth Archambault

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    I love spider-food. Another good place is www.selfpromotion.com (I think that's what it's called, haven't been by there in a long time). And for a one stop shop on all the SE's I still lurk at search Engine Forums.

    Yes, there are actually folks there who work in SEO, and they don't usually poo-poo the keyword density factor or content factor in Google's algos at all.

    I can say, however, that my content site has seldom seen traffic from anyone but the 900 pound gorilla, even though it's listed just about everwhere. So for me, I'll concentrate on the gorilla until I have the spare change to make friends with the other beasts.

    Also in line with what Elisabeth mentions about content :eek: , content gets you listed in DMOZ, Yahoo! and other directories. Content may not sell (much), but it still is the hidden king of the internet.

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    I'll agree with Buckworks and Webmistress. "Keyword focused, content-rich pages (remembering that ad copy IS Content in a spider's 'eyes')" can drive right over a lot of the competition. In the hotly competitive categories, there's a lot of sites with links so you need to get some there...but MOST categories are NOT so competitive!

    Just think of all the different types of merchants there are at CJ alone...then think of how few highly popular categories there are (I could probably think of 10 offhand). That leaves the rest of the field wide open, and a good keyword strategy can do wonders there...

    As for Content (the informative kind) being the hidden king, I think it's more like a Mob boss. You know, "donate X% to the Family and you stay in biiizzzness..."

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    I just came across another good page page about spiders at NetMechanic. What they say is very much the same as Spider Food, but when you get a different writer's perspective on a topic, sometimes things sink in better.

    Leader, I laughed out loud at the "mob boss" comment!

    Elisabeth Archambault

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    <scratchy mob voice>Yeah, shorty, well, the information was how this stuff got started, see? Youse guys think that it's all just pretty graphics and ad copy, huh? I'll tell youse when I stopped surfing with Lynx, yeah, right. Gimme that information or youse gonna be out one heavy link pop, yeah,yeah. </scratch mob voice>

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