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    It's hard enough to build traffic in the first place. Now I'm finding out about "stop words." As I understand it, if the search engine sees one of these words, it stops indexing that site and it doesn't get indexed or listed. So now I'm looking for a list of "stop words" to avoid offending the spiders. I've started my own list but would like input. I'm sure others would benefit from knowing what words NOT to have on their pages.

    If I start a page that lists stop words, how would you get such a page into the search engines?

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    Um, where did you hear about these "stop words"?

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    My understanding about stop word is that:
    1. It's a common used word, such as:
    the, web, a, an, that, this
    2. So, "web marketing" will be indexed under keyword "marketing"
    3. I don't think search engine will stop, but rather it will skip.

    That's what I understand.

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    Yeah it just doesn't rate a page based on that word. It won't skip the whole page it just doesn't notice particular words. For instance I spent time optimizing pages for the phrase "buy widgets" before I found out "buy" was a stop word.

    There seem to be few standard rules though as I've seen a fair amount of traffic with "buy" as a search term in the referring URLs recently.

    I've been assuming that one day search engines will include every search term entered so I've continued to optimize on "buy widgets", but not as a priority.


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    Hafta agree with the others here -- "the only "stop words" I know of are the words that are excluded from searches because they are so very common (e.g., the, with, of). Ignoring them speeds up searches.

    With google, you can get it to include stops by adding a + in front of the stop (this works for every stop except "the").

    If you know of a different sort of stop, I'm sure we would all be most interested in hearing about them. :eek:

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    Cedric,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>With google, you can get it to include stops by adding a + in front of the stop (this works for every stop except "the").<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    How does this work then?

    In the example above, you would make your title:
    "+Buy Widgets"

    or does this apply to just meta tags - but then I thought google ignored meta tags.

    Would the "+" show up in the search results?

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    calm down

    google is nice and buy is not a stop word

    looky here CLICK HERE

    as you see i typed in... come and buy the rhino.com
    its just a nonsense phrase, as you will see if you clicked the link, the only word not searched for is "com"

    "com" is a very common word and was not included in your search.

    notice that the word "buy" is in bold in those search results


    google is your friend, not a friend that asks you to bend but a friend who will stay to the end <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif> <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

    edited because i got into a mucking fuddle

    [ 11-21-2001: Message edited by: austin powers ]

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    CK, sorry I wasn't clear -- the + sign is for people doing searches at google, not preparation for your pages.

    And AP is right, if you want to know if something is a "stop" (at google), just search on it in a phrase -- google lists (just below the seach box in light gray) any words that are not included in the search.

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    Yeah, for some searches you (the searcher) have to put + in front of almost everything to get the (*&)( phrase to come up!

    This makes it hard when you're trying to find out who really wrote a specific quote, for instance.

    But they words all come up when the + and quotes are added, showing that the words are indeed indexed. If they weren't, Google wouldn't know the common words existed even with the + added (it couldn't index what it couldn't "see"...)

    "There +is no knowledge +that +is not power"

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    Okay, looks like I stayed up too late reading again. I looked for the original article about search engines, but guess I didn't save a copy. I remember it talked about stop words, which most referred to here, and something else that I confused with stop words.

    What I intended to ask about was the words like sex, pornography, adult, slander and derogatory terms that should be limited to adult websites. As I understand it, if a site isn't identified as adults only, when a spider encounters one of these words or terms, it stops indexing that site and it doesn't get listed. I was calling these terms stop words. My error. Is thare a list of these words anywhere? And what are they called?

    Ray

    [ 11-23-2001: Message edited by: Ray ]

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    I could be proven wrong, but I can't fathom anything like this... firstly, adult sites do get indexed. Secondly, it's impossible (or nearly so), imo, to come up with a responsible list of words that should only be used on "adult" sites. Words have too many meanings -- even in the ones you listed, I can see times when all of them would be on a childsafe page! For example, in a description of sites that are not allowed to link to the childsafe site.

    I don't think such a list exists. But, if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone here will point that out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Here is a way you can know whether a word is a stop word or not:

    Put that word into the search terms, i.e. try searching for "the" in Google, Alta Vista, etc.....

    If it's not coming up...then it's a stop word.....if it's coming then it's not....

    BTW,
    "Web" is not a stop word in Google.... so you still be able to get a good position on it in Google [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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