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    whats going on?

    who else has lost their rankings?

    i notice some merchant sites have risen up the ranks <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon9.gif>

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    Actually some of my sites seem to went up for some keyword combinations. Which is good now that AOHELL f**ks up.


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    Yep, lots all my best rankings...... :confused:

    I still have top five rankings for some pages - that don't make me any money.

    So, what is going on with Google anyway? Anyone have a clue?

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    apparently I have too. I have about a third of the traffic I typically have by now (7:05 PM CST) [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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    merchant sites have definitely risen up the rankings, some of them had crap ranks before, it seems like google are cutting out the middle man and using qksrv links for link popularity, this is BAD, REALLY BAD

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    i have hundreds of other sites linking to some of my pages, google seemes to have taken that popularity and passed it onto the merchants that i'm promoting

    even jims sites are gone, try a search for cars or airguns

    im starting to think that this is the begining of the end of affiliate marketing

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>seems like google are cutting out the middle man<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Of course it's too soon to tell, but I don't think that's it. I still have a number one ranking on several phrases (all around a product that doesn't sell, thank you very much) and that means I'm still above the merchant I'm promoting.

    It may be a change in the algo, but I don't think it's the end of anything. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    i just posted about this in the cj forum but i see your all way ahead of me, its happened to me too, i had many #1 keywords on google and every single one of those pageranks has been passed onto my merchants in google

    ive just seen someone post exactly the same thing over at spiderfood forums, thats what made me check

    seems we have been cut out of the deal, first overture started to turn their back on us, now google, and google powers everything!

    ive been posting a lot about we affiliates putting our heads together, now we *MUST*

    anyone who is willing to post their url and what terms they usually get in google please do so now and tell us if your pagerank/search results have changed

    austin is right, this is bad and may be the end

    anyone who can contribute any info whatsoever please do

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    This happened to me with the last update.
    Every one of my pages is a revenue page.
    All links out is to a qksrv link or a linkshare one.
    I was even above IDT for a search on IDT Global last index. (shame those links weren't working)
    this index, not one of my pages is in there.

    I don't know if it is because google has given each site with affiliate links the shaft or not.

    If so, it is time to be creative.

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    the affiliate sites that are showing up may only be showing up because they have not been crawled by googles robot yet since the last index

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    google crawled my sites about a week ago and usually sends me upto 100,000 hits each day

    something changed today and since 6AM EST (12 noon GMT) i have recieved a grand total of 2 hits from google

    i am searching google and it definitely seems that the qksrv redirect is being passed onto merchants, there are many merchants showing up now, some of them i have monitored for some time now and used as a benchmark but some defy logic because they are poor sites as far as search engine optimization goes

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    scary :eek:

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    this is going from dire to worse, ive just checked my stats again, i was so intoxicated with google that i didnt notice tha AOL stopped sending me traffic about 8 hours ago

    does anyone know if google powers AOL these days? AOL is usually good for between 10-100 hits an hour for me

    come on you guys this is a crisis, we need to put our heads together, theres a good few people online at this forum right now, if your browsing as a guest, login
    those that are logged in please post!

    please check your usual keywords, do you notice any changes?
    please check any recent searches that you have made, do you notice any changes?
    have you made any alterations to your sites recently?
    is your google traffic the same as usual?
    are your non-converting pages the only pages that you still have a good rank with?

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    AOHELL does use Inktomi/Oversure over DMOZ now. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]


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    ok, from keywords I've lost -- the top three listings are either the merchant or are pages containing tons of text and a couple links to merchants.....plus they have no sites coming up as "related", or similar, and the text is really unnecessary rambling info that is only there for the benefit of the search engines......the links to merchants are on top of page, so most people don't even see the rest of the rambling

    also, a few of the top few listings were actually redirects to affiliate pages of the merchants site ......

    None of those I've been checking have links to other sites on the pages and all have only a couple or no "related" pages whatsoever.

    Also when I check to see who's linked to them, I'm seeing none or very few listed


    hmmmmm

    what do ya'll think

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    mary, did those merchant sites always dominate the top 3 positions?

    are you saying sites that crosslink have been given a lower rank?

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    OK, it's happened.
    We've had our *****, now... a solution.

    Obviously the googler now looks at the redirects from our affiliate links.

    possible solutions?
    - use javascript or something to process the link.
    - I think a http header redirect (eg, Location: http://www.qksrv in the header) will probably be picked up by google.

    c'mon people.. who knows some tricky redirection stuff?

    or maybe it is just an annual cleaning of the records & DMOZ (which I am not a part of anyway)

    [ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: Pete ]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>are you saying sites that crosslink have been given a lower rank?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I don't know.....

    only the #1 position is the same (from the reindex) the other two were at the very bottom of the page (as I recall) I was #2 for this keyword......

    they don't have any crosslinks on those pages anyway....no related sites and when I looked to see who was linked to them only 1 in top 3 had links listed and only 3 links

    What does it all mean? My brain hurts...and my pocketbook LOL

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    MsMarySunshine, what a beautiful name

    i have a couple of questions for you

    have the merchant sites actually moved up the rankings? in other words, are the websites that used to occupy the space between your site and the merchant site still there? you know, i mean have the merchant sites leapfrogged those other sites?

    are the results the same old sites as always but in a different order or have those other sites gone?

    where/are the other sites affiliate sites?

    is your page crosslinked?

    i'm not sure if its starting to look like crosslinkers have been degraded, anyone?

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    all my sites are heavily crosslinked

    Some keywords for some sites the merchant leaped from last on first page and on second page to #1-2 position (products)

    Some keywords (prescription drugs) the merchant sites aren't in the running...they are affiliate sites - with no cross links

    what is everyone else finding? are the sites now in the top crosslinked?

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    All of my sites have been spidered by Google (at least by yesterday) and so far, no change in rankings or traffic that I can see.

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    Nifty little re-direct

    (script) LANGUAGE="JAVASCRIPT" document.location.href="http://www.qksrv.net/click-000000-000000"; (/script)

    relpace ( with < and ) with > [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Or you could use SmartZones for everything...as I recall, you can run a text link through that, too. Google shouldn't be able to read those...

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    OK, if they are penalizing pages with qksrv links, try this. I serve my own image for an advertiser and link the image to a page with an automatic redirect to the qksrv link. Therefore, the link seen on my page only goes to another page on my site and the viewed page would not be rejected for having qksrv links.

    Additional benefit is I can put this linked image with a name and alt tag if my choosing on hundreds of pages. To change all the pages at once, I just create a new image with the same name and change the destination of the page the image links to.
    Voila! All the pages are changed simultaneously!

    This method can be used for text links as well. I haven't tried it, but I guess you should add a robots excluded tag to the redirect page. What is that tag? If you do that, no one else gets "credit" for an incoming link! And also, you can add 1x1 pixel to the redirect page. Although, I don't know that they will load so I don't know if this will interfere with tracking. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Another thought, If your style calls for it, can't you put advertiser's qksrv links inside a java script drop down menu without robots seeing it?

    Don't worry, I'm not smart and I'm not good looking and I don't make money like you folks but I'll save you!

    [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    P.S. I know this isn't what you want to hear....BUT....I REALLY DO want to see more actual content in search results. And, I think the general public does, too. That's why the search engines are doing this. People are getting very angry with search engines turning into the yellow pages instead of the white pages. Think about it. You're all smart. You should be able to offer content AND be able to sell related products.

    I haven't done this so it's an example. A page about the history and use of Runes stressing the power of the energy imbued in hand made Runes. Sell wood burning kits, unfinished wooden disks, polished stones, gold and silver paint, brushes, Rune bags, trim for Run bags, Rune relevant books, stone polishing kits and on and on. Now, a page like that would get you tons of gratuitous links on thousands of pages with out even asking.

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    I see no evidence of a radically new algorithm

    I don't think there is any evidence that Google is penalizing affiliate sites at large.

    My conclusion is that the algorithm is essentially the same, but they are continuing efforts to weed out sites and site owners who are trying to manipulate (and sell) their rankings.

    Also, remember that Google optimisation info is very widespread nowadays, so that if you are talking common keywords, you should expect a much more competitive environment.

    As in most discussions on search engines and keywords, there is very little evidence of anything because people are reluctant to reveal their own sites, keywords, and methods.

    PS, Google listings are a priviledge not a right, and I publicly frown on all attempts at manipulating rankings.

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