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    Hi again!

    We really want to start getting traffic to our site http://www.LesbianSexToys.com .

    So far, most of our hits are coming from links on our other two sites http://www.LesbiansClick.com and http://www.FloridaLesbians.com .
    (FloridaLesbians is one of our first sites. It needs a lot of work we know... coming soon!)

    We have submitted LesbianSexToys.com to the main search engines that do not charge for submissions.

    We are guessing we would get a lot of traffic if we were listed on DMOZ or Yahoo. We have submitted to DMOZ twice with no luck.
    (Our site LesbiansClick.com was added to DMOZ within a week of submitting it.)

    Yahoo charges $600 to submit a site with adult content. That's a lot for us right now. We were wondering if any of you have paid to have your sites listed on Yahoo and whether it was worth it for you?

    Any other ideas and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks you all!

    [ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: PaulaSmiles ]

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    I have paid for yahoo submission and it has been very worthwhile. However, you need to thoroughly read their agreement and make sure your site is ready. No broken links or construction pages or else they will reject it. I have never submitted to the adult content submission. But just make sure your site is perfect before you submit it.

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    Jada,

    When you submitted your site to Yahoo did you submit your Main Index page for your site or did you submit a "merchant specific" page? And if you submitted your main index page did they spider the links to your other pages?

    Thanks in advance,

    Core

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    PaulaSmiles,

    I would not go out on the Yahoo Limb just yet ... try a few PPCs and work on SE optimization, in the meantime ... signup with goclick, findwhat and maybe 7search (I am not sure of their "adult" content policies) and see the sales come in first! .. then once you make the $ think about it .... read http://buckworks.com/articles/pay-pe...nes/index.html (Elisabeth's site - an ABW member) for some great info on PPC SEs!

    Haiko

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    I don't think PPC traffic is worthwhile for adult sites.. clicks are worth a few cents max.. understandably, most surfers are 'just looking'

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spiderman:
    I don't think PPC traffic is worthwhile for adult sites.. clicks are worth a few cents max.. understandably, most surfers are 'just looking'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Spiderman,

    Lesbian Sex Toys? just looking ?.... :confused: I'll agree ... on the adult traffic issue ... but ... I think they have a good niche [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    Haiko

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Haiko:


    Spiderman,

    Lesbian Sex Toys? just looking ?.... :confused: I'll agree ... on the adult traffic issue ... but ... I think they have a good niche [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    Haiko
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    Yay! You made me smile to hear that you think we have a good niche.

    Thank you all for your advice on paying to list on Yahoo. We think we'll work on making our site wonderful and experimenting with the other search engines until we get our tax refund. Then it's Yahoo time!

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    Core yahoo is very picky. Therefore, I always submit my index page. They don't scan the other pages. But if your main page is accepted, your in like flynn. It also helps with your google popularity if you get into yahoo.

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    Thanks a bunch Jada! I am going to optimize my index page this week and give it a try. I figure that I throw enough money away on PPC that Yahoo just might help.

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    Basically, your ODP submissions were rejected on 25th October with the reason "sextoyfun.com affiliate store" - ODP guidelines are that affilate link farms cannot be accepted. Frankly, I think this is a bit unfair on the site as it's a targetted market.

    If you wanted it go get into ODP you'd probably have to add more content - though it's difficult to add content - but it's difficult to figure out what sort of content you would be able to add [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    It's a good site though - looks professional and tasteful. I don't think Yahoo! cares about the affiliate links, but $600 is a *lot* (surely it should be $299?).

    As for PPC.. it depends on commission levels and conversion rates - really "Adult" isn't the issue in terms of PPC promotion, except you would have to choose your keywords carefully to make sure you don't get non-eCommerce traffic.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dynamoo:
    Basically, your ODP submissions were rejected on 25th October with the reason "sextoyfun.com affiliate store" - ODP guidelines are that affilate link farms cannot be accepted. Frankly, I think this is a bit unfair on the site as it's a targetted market.

    If you wanted it go get into ODP you'd probably have to add more content - though it's difficult to add content - but it's difficult to figure out what sort of content you would be able to add [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    It's a good site though - looks professional and tasteful. I don't think Yahoo! cares about the affiliate links, but $600 is a *lot* (surely it should be $299?).

    As for PPC.. it depends on commission levels and conversion rates - really "Adult" isn't the issue in terms of PPC promotion, except you would have to choose your keywords carefully to make sure you don't get non-eCommerce traffic.
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    Hi, Dynamoo!

    Thank you so much for your reply. It really helps to know why our site wasn't accepted with ODP.
    We just resubmitted to ODP yesterday. Perhaps the new site design will be accepted. If not, we will work on somehow adding content.

    When we went to see about adding our site to Yahoo, we clicked on sumbit a site in the Adult Shopping/Sex Toys/Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual. It said that it was $600 to list in that category. It is a lot of money for us right now. Hopefully, adding a link there will pay off though.

    Thank you for your advice on using PPC. We're using the terms lesbian sex toys and lesbian toys on Goto/Overture.

    We appreciate your answers and advice.

    Thank you!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dynamoo:
    Basically, your ODP submissions were rejected on 25th October with the reason "sextoyfun.com affiliate store" - ODP guidelines are that affilate link farms cannot be accepted. Frankly, I think this is a bit unfair on the site as it's a targetted market.

    If you wanted it go get into ODP you'd probably have to add more content - though it's difficult to add content - but it's difficult to figure out what sort of content you would be able to add [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    It's a good site though - looks professional and tasteful. I don't think Yahoo! cares about the affiliate links, but $600 is a *lot* (surely it should be $299?).
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    Hi, Dynamoo!... and the rest of the gang!

    I had resubmitted the redesigned LesbianSexToys.com to DMOZ right before you gave me this advice. Was it rejected again for the same reason?

    We're looking into two options to help get our site listed.

    One, we can work directly through a sex toy distributor instead of being an affiliate of another sex toy site. (We're having trouble figuring out how to do this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.)

    Two, we are thinking of how to add content without losing the feeling of the site. We don't want porn or anything like that. Any ideas? Would a "glossary" of sex toy terms work? An about us page? A testimonial section? Another thought is erotic lesbian stories... but we're not sure if we want to go that way. Are we talking about needing "major" added content?

    We really, really appreciate any help you all are willing to offer. Thank you!

    P.S. Record breaking week for our site. $300 in commissions in 4 days. Yay! Yahoo listing.... here we come!

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    >I had resubmitted the redesigned LesbianSexToys.com to DMOZ right before you gave me this advice. Was it rejected again for the same reason?

    Not since the beginning of the month.

    imho
    Choose to add another domain name to your list of sites and START OVER with dmoz.org.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Adam Ward:
    Not since the beginning of the month.

    imho
    Choose to add another domain name to your list of sites and START OVER with dmoz.org.
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    Hi, Adam!

    Thank you for checking that for me.

    Time to start over, you think? Uh oh, I didn't mean to ruin our chances of getting in. Will you please explain what you mean by add another domain name to my list of sites?

    Thanks! We appreciate your help.

    Anna and Paula [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Discussion of why a site was rejected is not permitted under the editor guidelines.

    But, speaking in generalities, it stands to reason that a site that has been rejected more than 5 times in less than 60 days has developed a reputation and should simply stop trying.

    One must develop a content loaded site and begin again.

    [you going to Vegas in Jan ?]

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    Ideas for content:

    Health care issues faced by Lesbians

    Safety issues when meeting new "friends" in public places. (i.e. aggression from predatory males)

    How to identify others of like interests.

    How to handle a rejected advance.

    How to tell your lover, "It's Over".

    What to tell your parents.

    Why can't we adopt?

    What about a male sperm donor?

    The childfree life.

    Buying a house together. Do the banks discriminate.

    Joint credit.

    Life insurance for your partner.

    Will hospitals let me see my lover if the family objects?

    A Miss Lesbian Manners column

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    Try using the terms on that describe the toys in PPC. For example: People search for -vibrators - not sex toys.

    Make sure you don't have any pop-unders to real porn sites. That can get you tossed or not listed.

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    Content ideas: How about explaining some of the sexual practices of lesbians? In a "doctorly" manner, of course...

    As for PPCs, "sex toys" and "lesbians" do get a lot of searches. One of the biggest click getters is a pic of lesbians using sex toys...you could burn through a LOT of PPC money quick if the people think (mistakenly) that they will see the toys in use!!! So be careful with the PPCs...

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    The problem I see is your audience will be mostly males looking for a good pic or three.

    That could burn up your ppc monies real fast with no results.

    IMO focusing your site and keywords on womens issues, womens rights and the like would bring better results. I also agree with ssfran go for the issues more.

    On the other hand you could go the porn route and provide that kind of content.

    You would get enough traffic by way of name and free content and sell the sex toys as your income.

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    I'm with Adam on this one (or at least some of this one).. I don't think the site is going to get listed in ODP because it's basically an affiliate shop, no matter how targetted the shop is.

    I scratched my head on this one and it's going to be farned difficult to bring the content level up enough to carry all those links - and there's always the daner teh site might end up being considered porn, which it isn't at the moment.

    And you're right Paula, PPC is gonna be a nightmare on those keywords. Choose your PPC very carefully! At least Yahoo is a fixed fee. Looksmart is waaay too conservative. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    Don't forget spot advertising on related sites too.

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    Hello,
    I sure hope this helps since I know a friend of mine got his adult toy store into yahoo for free, it took about a month but it now shows up in all yahoo dir (au,uk,ect.)
    He went to http://uk.dir.yahoo.com/business_and...l_merchandise/ Then he clicked on suggest a site, then just follow the directions.

    I also submited a site to yahoo 3 weeks ago using the same method and was listed just last week.

    Hope you have the same luck.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by runrun:
    Hello,
    I sure hope this helps since I know a friend of mine got his adult toy store into yahoo for free, it took about a month but it now shows up in all yahoo dir (au,uk,ect.)
    He went to http://uk.dir.yahoo.com /business_and_economy/shopping_and_services/sex/general_merchandise/ Then he clicked on suggest a site, then just follow the directions.

    I also submited a site to yahoo 3 weeks ago using the same method and was listed just last week.

    Hope you have the same luck.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    We just gave it a try. Thanks for your help! We'll let you know what happens.

    Anna and Paula [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    As for the ppc clicks I agree that you could burn through a lot of cash. I really good description stating what is on your site BUT also in the description of what isn't on your site may help to slow us pervs from clicking. An example might be;

    Title: Adult Products For Lesbians and Thier PArtners.

    Description: Our site caters to the adult pleasures of lesbians and their partners. Our site has no pornographic images and is done in class to highlight the products such as vibrators, strap ons and other products for your pleasure. If your looking for porno graphic images go elsewhere.

    Something like that might be worth a shot to try and see how ya do.

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    Isn't it redundant to say "lesbians and their partners" instead of just "lesbians"?

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    Elisabeth, What do I know. Maybe I was talking about 2 women with more than one partner. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif>
    Your right though. I was just giving a general idea.

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