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    any comments or reviews on fineclicks.com from a merchants perspective? Since Google has screwed me good, I need the traffic.

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    Chuck,

    Nothing negative to say about Chet, he has a nice thing going, but, ... I have asked him MANY times to do a Q&A with us ... but he NEVER answered :confused:

    I'd say do your due diligence ... what kind of program are you offering? CPC?
    I can ask our 450 affiliates (shareasale) to join your program [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] ... might work out better for you ... REAL hit wise [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Haiko

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    I would do cpc. I would not "auto approve", due to the fact I don't want to pay Billy Joe Six Pack to "test the link" 50 times a day. I want quality targetted traffic to come to my site and spend - I am looking for a good roi. I would award a higher cpc rate for any affiliates site who is listed in ODP, Yahoo directory, and looksmart. I would start with 5 cents a click, and then offer a higher rate to those whose sites are listed in the above mentioned directories. possibly an extra three cents per directory listing.

    How do i get started and where? btw, this would be for my gift basket site, and not the coupon site.

    [ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: Big Chuck ]

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    Chuck,

    I'll mail you in the morning (realized for the second time that you have PM turned off) *SIGH*

    "contact@thecouponguy.com"

    Haiko
    PS "One" of my "gift" sites lost $75 in 20 days ($0.03 per click) :eek: !

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    sorry haiko. I turned off my msn messenger, too. my family could kill me - lol. I dont like being pm'ed. contact@thecouponguy.com

    [ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: Big Chuck ]

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    Big Chuck,

    What's with the preference for Content sites?!?

    Even though click programs aren't my interest, if you have a logical reason for paying more to sites for being in the Commie Directory and other directories I'd STILL love to hear it because that pay structure you propose is highly unfair!!! You're penalizing the very sites that would be your best affiliates, and rewarding the ones most likely to send you junk traffic that's just looking for more FREE content.

    :confused: :confused: :confused: !!!!!

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    I'm thinking that if Nathan Power has not reviewed it and doesn't have it on his traffic stats that there would need to be some homework done first.

    imho

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    Chuck,

    Five cents per click is a bit much to start out with...2 to 3 cents seems to be the going rate.

    Leader and the other CPA crowd are of the opinion that you make more money from sales than CPC. And they are probably right up to a point. But they have to pay for traffic just like everyone else.

    Paying a PPC Search engine is pretty much the same thing as having your own affiliate
    program that pays per-click.

    CPC is a way to pay for traffic. If you use it right you can make a profit and maybe a big profit.

    The key point is to sure that the amount you pay per click can easily be covered with a 1 in 100 conversion rate for the combined offerson the page.

    For example: I use 2 to 12 offers on pages that I have per-click affiliates send traffic to. It costs me 4 cents per click when you add all the costs up.

    I always have an out link to a pay per click
    offer.

    So if you had one offer then you would make a break even if you had made $4.01 for every 100 visitors. If you have 8 you need to make $.50 per offer per 100 to break even.

    Normally, I get about 20% to 50% to actually
    create a cash producing event for 4 offers and up.

    Some are per clicks, some leads, some sales.
    All I am trying to do is make $4/100. Anything more than that is profit.

    Thus you see a mix of type of offers that hopefully appeal to a variety of interests but not enough offers as to be overwhelming.

    On the newest page - Cool Stuff - I make $1, $1, $1.20, 20%, $10 and $6, And 2 cents on the out link.

    To make a profit I need to get 4% conversion on items 1 or 2, 3.75% on item 3, 1%-2% on item 4, .4% on item 4, .8% on item 6, and the
    out link is basically a throwaway. But, if I get 2% total conversion and 20% click thru on the out link to the PPC I usually make a profit.

    some days it's miniscule, somedays it's in the $100's and a few days have been in the $1,000's. Depends on the offers. I rotate them weekly and sometimes everyother day.

    In the old days we'd always get 1 to 2 Ebay deals per 100. So it was quite proifitable.

    You can sell single items and if you can make say $20 per commission, you can make a profit with sales of 1 in 500 and make a profit just from the outlink.

    Sell just 2 per 500/day and you make $40 less the $10 for the affiliates and an extra
    $2 bucks from the out link and you clear $32 per day - $960 per month.

    That's how it all works, whether you are merchant or affiliate. If your affiliates make money, you make money. sometimes they make more than you, some times you find a huge winner and make a bundle.

    But the name of the game is to make some profit everyday and to build the traffic because it's all real simple - the revenue you get from visitors to your site must exceed the revenue you pay out to make a profit.

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    leader, et al..

    I guess I would not do that afterall. What I dont want, as I said before, is to pay for bogus clicks. I think what I am searching for, if I did this, is credibility with a proven track record that results in targetted traffic to my site that, as you have put it before leader, "with credit card in hand". I don't want a site sending me a bunch of teen agers who wont spend money. I can see it now; "hey dudes, and dudettes... COOL SITE - CLICK HERE! FOR A GNARLY GOOD TIME! WHOOOOA DUDE...

    I want affiliates that know how to present an ad to get me traffic that will spend. Leader is such a person. I apologize, but I hope this clarifies what I was shooting for.

    [ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: Big Chuck ]

    [ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: Big Chuck ]

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    Big Chuck, I agree with Fred. 5 cents would be too much to pay to start off. I would start with 2 cents and then maybe reward the better affiliates with what you seem fit. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif>

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    Chuck,

    1. If you track the click thrus as leads but pay as clicks you have very little fraud.

    2. The type of traffic you want - with CC in hand is non-existent for the price you are willing to pay.

    3. With an affiliate program you can get just 30 affiliates to each send you 10 visitors per day, you can probably make more money than you are making now and do it every day.

    I have a goal and that is to make 1 cent minimum more than I spend to get the traffic for every person who visits a webpage. This amounts to $10/1,000 visitors. If I make more great. But that's what I target.

    Some days I make $30, others $300 and we have even had a few days where we made $3,000. But I almost always make $10/1,000 gross profit.

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    Big Chuck--"I can see it now; "hey dudes, and dudettes... COOL SITE - CLICK HERE! FOR A GNARLY GOOD TIME! WHOOOOA DUDE..."

    Yeah, so can I. But DMOZ--the Commie Directory just LOVES those kind of content sites...

    I'd say to just go through the applications yourself and pick the Real Revenue sites.

    You know what a moneymaking site looks like, and those "gnarly" ones don't exactly hide what audience they're aiming at, so I doubt you'd accidentally approve any obvious duds if you look at them yourself. Also your needs as a Merchant will be quite a bit different than those of a directory which is only concerned with providing the best FREE surfing experience to their moochers!

    Oh, thinking of "Click Here"--you may not want to use that for a CLICK program...it's easy to put the Click Heres into phrases like your example. That's fine for a sale or lead program where dud clicks are free to the merchant, buuut...

    Although "CLICK HERE for more gardening info" would get a response on that CDP (COMMIE Directory Project) listed site of mine [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    @ Professor <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you track the click thrus as leads but pay as clicks you have very little fraud. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If this is the kind of tricks you are pulling on your program thank God I am not in it. I only hope other members of Abestweb read this thread before signing for your programs.

    As far as I am concerned and I suspect most other webmasters including yourself and Big Chuck, a click is a click, a lead is something totally different and should not enter the equasion

    @ Big Chuck

    Steer clear of these type of tricks, you would be the first to condemn someone who pulled it on you. You can build a good profitable program without stooping this low.

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    Gordon,

    The only difference between tracking clicks andleads is that the whole page has to load for a lead to count, whereas on some porgrams a click can register with the first iota of a page and you can hit back and still get credit for the click - not good if you are paying per click.

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    Oh I missunderstood you Professor, I though a lead was they have to give an e-mail address for something like an e-zine or mailing list. That is why I said that,
    sorry please accept my apologies.

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