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    I've read postings on several boards about supposed problems with Web Position Gold and Google. Seems that Google might ban me if I use WPG to check my search engine standings for specific keywords.

    First question -- is that true? Google formally bans all automated checks of keywords, but do the REALLY enforce it?

    Second question -- if it is true, how about other search engines -- AOL, MSN, etc.

    What this is all leading to is a basic question -- is my copy of WPG useless? Obviously I can't use it if I'm going to be banned for running routine keyword checks.

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    in one word YES

    It happened to me last year, I wrote them a groveling e-mail and they replied explaining why they had done it.

    It took a few more grovels and apologies before I got back with them.

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    Wow, they really do that? Thanks for the post Gordon. I never got past using the trial of WPG, and prefer to do things by hand that WPG automates. Now I'm glad I did, and I think I'll be taking down my link to them on my site aimed at newbies. I'd hate to be the source of someone messing up their own Google rankings by using it.

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    Yes they do and they are real dinks about it too. Just fyi they wont warn you or anything just gone is your site gone gone gone.

    I will not beg or ask them to let me back they can stick it where the sun don't shine.<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

    Well at least that's what my email to them said. :eek: OOPS!

    Just so everyone knows I have some more information regarding how google works.

    They have control over their search feature but they have zero control over their directory.

    They removed three of my sites from their search results but I still remain strong in the directory. Good rank too!

    PS Be nice to the googlebot all the time because if you screw with him just one time, he's not very forgiving and they will go out of their way to find all of your sites to make sure you're not listed anywhere.

    Of course I still outsmarted him but that's just my little secret.

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    Tom,

    I heard about this a while back and so I only recommend using the Page Critic. You could tell your newbie visitors to do the same.


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    I used WPG and I was horrified by the way it spammed every directory in site - I was lucky not to have got blacklisted.

    It's better to do it manually, especially when it comes to ODP.

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    Thanks to all for your help. I just bought WPG and I guess I feel like they were not completely honest with me about Google. I would have been comfortable with some sort of warning or disclaimer. I used it a couple of times to check positions on Google, but hopefully that won't be enough to be noticed by them.

    I do have two follow up questions:

    1) Is this also a problem on other search engines? Can I safely use this on MSN, AOL, etc.? If so, okay. But if not, I'm going to get a refund.

    2) This is my suspicious side coming out -- what's to prevent one of my competitors from loading my URL into WPG and checking keywords on my site every hour? After awhile Google would presumably get fed up and would ban my site, even though I personally did not do anything wrong. Is this possible?

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    It kills me when WPG and other such "tools" claim to submit to over 2,000+ search engines ... when 1,960 are worthless FFA pages...

    Submission by hand ... is the only way to go. Don't waste your money. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    WPG is great to create doorway pages .. don't use it for submitting.

    The doorway pages I made with WPG are ranked VERY high on google .. so WPG does work but not for submission.
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    And now the reply from First Place Software. According to them, no search engine will ever ban your site for using Web Position Gold to check positions. However, Google could ban YOU (that's your IP address) if you run the Reporter feature of WPG a lot. But your site is still safe.

    Sound correct? Gordon?

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    Tom <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> no search engine will ever ban your site for using Web Position Gold to check positions. However, Google could ban YOU (that's your IP address) if you run the Reporter feature of WPG a lot. But your site is still safe.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> First of all that in itself sounds a bit tricky. If no search engine will ban your site why will they ban your IP?
    The way I read that No, I personally was not banned (IP address) At the time I had two websites and only one of them was banned. This I was told by e-mail from Google was for using (I'm not sure of the exact wording here) automated ranking and submission tools. If I were you I would e-mail Google and ask them their position on this but I seem to remember at the time Web Position Gold were having quite a lot of problems mainly with Google.
    Maybe someone else here can add to this?

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    I've stopped using Web Position Gold to check my pages on Google, but how about Yahoo? My primary interest is in the hits I get from Yahoo, from the Google database.

    Will Yahoo take any action if I use the reporting feature to check my keyword positions?

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    [ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Tom ]

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    Hi
    I agree with other people on the forum about submitting the stuff yourself. So far I have managed to get on 5 search engines, the main two being Yahoo and Google.

    I have now started to target other sites that could put a link onto my site i.e. sites that deal with travel within Scotland, so far I have had a great responce and even today I have been accepted onto 5 more sites, all of these sites are listed wihtin search engines so that means people will find our site sooner rather than later as its a bit specilised.

    What I do is keep a excel spreedsheet listing of all the sites/search engines that I have tried to accept my site/link and then have some colunms to tick off if I was successful or not.

    I hope by the end of the month to have at least gotten at least 50 sites to accept my link.

    Its hard work but its fun.

    regards John
    its not just yanks that are mad......

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