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    Heyder, is there a problem with tracking on the click thrus today, haven't recorded a single one today.

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    Yes,

    I'll get on it right away and make corrections.

    Sorry

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    I was doing some late night updating and made a few mistakes on the variables.

    I am going through everyones accounts as we speak.

    I pulled yours up and credited your account.

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    Hey no problem, things happen, just glad to have someone who can admit when something is wrong. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon12.gif> Just read your second post, btw, you rule, hehe

    [ 01-11-2002: Message edited by: qball0213 ]

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    Yes that should by my slogan (guilty as charged)LOL

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heyder:
    Yes that should by my slogan (guilty as charged)LOL<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    No! It should be ...

    Real ... as can Be!<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif>

    Haiko

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    Blushing!!!<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon15.gif>

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    Heyder,

    I'm trying something to see how it works in getting people to search specific listings.

    Can you keep a count of how many hits you get from my affiliate id for the keyword -
    jobs.

    I placed a free classified ad on 17,000 classified ad sites under the categories -
    jobs and employment.

    The headline was: Need A Job? Click Here To Find A Real Good One, Fast. It's Free.

    I have no idea how many people actually read these ads, but it would be nice to know
    the 'hits' from placing search specific words in the category specific ad sections of free classified sites.

    I think you got the bull by the hornies with giving the ability to nail down category specific words to affiliates.

    So far in 2 days I'm averaging $15 per day
    targeting keyword searches as outlinks with only three keywords - valentines, home decorating and shopping promoted thru text link mini-classified type ads on a couple of our high traffic pages.

    I thnk you could kick some butt with a rotating banner that targets 10 keywords that we affiliates could run. If you have 1,000 affiliates running this banner and they get only 100 impressions per day you get each word 'featured' in the real eyeballs 10,000 times per day - get 1% CTR and you got 100 searches per word per day or 3,000 a month.

    If you the have same 1,000 affiliates averaging 1,000 impressions per day, you'd have each of the 10 terms being seen 100,000 times per day and a 1% CTR would bring on 1,000 searches per day per term. 30,000 searches per month is worth bidding at least 1 or 2 cents on for advertisers.

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    "I placed a free classified ad on 17,000 classified ad sites under the categories -
    jobs and employment."

    How? I assume you didn't really spend hundreds of hours typing in ads...

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    You go to Adland Pro and websitings and you post an and in their classified sites. Each one has over 8,000 people who have 'clone sites' they can post on and have people go read.

    You can only post 3 ads per day in Adland Pro. But each one goes to 8,500 different
    ccloned pages.

    Websitings let's you post as many as you can as long as they are not duplicates.

    Basically, you get listed in 17,000 places and since I usually post three ads in each it's about 51,000 links.

    How many people actually read your ad depends on the category you put it in. In any case, it's always good for a few visitors everyday and makes your Google really Google if you advertise your own pages.

    I make about $10 a day from posting ads one day each week that go direct to the merchants. Takesd about 15 minutes to do if you have the ad all written and in notebook or ultraedit and you just cut and paste it in the ad categories and hit submit.

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    Fredrick,

    I credit you for some of the advanced changes searchany is making.
    http://www.abestweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/...;f=15;t=000014

    What do you think?

    As for watching listings, I can only give you a general idea for each search term.

    I am going to see about a more advanced tracking method.

    Right now all I have is ip#'s from your account and then have to compare that data with my keyword logs and server logs.

    It's a PITA! I think even your basic tracking provider like hitbox can tell you who searched for what so I'll check into some of them.

    Actually hitbox has gone back to the small banner so I may just use them.

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    What did you mean by

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think you got the bull by the hornies with giving the ability to nail down category specific words to affiliates.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    If I were a bidding advertiser, the LAST thing I'd want would be to have Fred flogging one of my terms to his visitors in some of the ways he has described.

    From an advertiser's point of view the point of bidding on terms is to position yourself so that people will find you when THEY come looking, and with search terms of their own choice, not when someone manipulates to get a certain search term in front of them to merely generate curiosity clicks. Too much of that would seriously dilute the targeting of the clickthroughs. Be careful what kind of promotions you allow, otherwise you'll erode the advertisers' ROI and there won't be any advertisers.

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    Could we get more opinions on this?

    What professor will do is send traffic to my site based on certain keywords and they will be linked to my search results.

    They are not linked to listings only results and a surfer may click a listing if they choose to.

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    My $1.00 has gone down so I'm getting some hits anyway if I was promoting any kind of search engine or anything else for that matter I would want to be able to use keywords that are targeted to my traffic.
    All of my traffic is sportsgambling related
    so I would want to use something like: For a listing of online sportsbooks and casinos go to whatever.In other words I would want to be able to sent them to a certain area that would be of interest to them.

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    So I should remove the text links I've already been using? And if we have to use the high bid keywords, why wouldn't we just use a higher paying SI program or targetwords, etc to use on our sites? There would need to be some kind of middle ground I think for 3 cents per click, I would take 2 cents per click for the terms I've been using. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon15.gif>

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    The list is just a generic list that I quickly came up with it will be expanded. This is why I've provided the suggestion tool.

    All I want is to be able to have some control of what I am paying for. The idea of this is that I may be able to pay even more than I do now.

    slight modifications to the existing keywords is also allowed. ie betting -- sports betting or sports gambling.

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    Heyder,

    You might get some ideas from checking out this company.

    I just started using them and would like some feedback if anyone knows anything about them.

    Ray

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    A lot of people have a lot of different opinions about SI.

    Mine is not completely formed but I have been avoiding them because I don't want to be working with a company who suddenly yells out that I must be cheating and refuse to pay me.

    I've heard these stories.

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    Oh boy,

    I nipped that in the bud!

    I was using the tos from searchfeed.com cripes are they SI too?

    God I'm about ready to give up!

    Nah! Not me!!!!!!!

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    Heyder, Buckworks is right. From an advertiser's perspective, anything which would generate curiosity clicks SUCKS! Although I can see liberal terms being VERY attractive for affiliates, the thought of being bombed in traffic that way sent chills through me...

    Even if the curiosity clicks just go to a list of search terms, the chance that a significant amount of those people will click something is too high for my tastes. I've seen how the quality of OverSure traffic has gone to The Hot Place, precisely because they stick their listings in front of everybody's face in unexpected places. The ROI has definitely gone down. There's a certain amount of dilution which is tolerable, but beyond that point, advertisers will start to leave.

    Fred, I see... I remember you mentioning that place (Adland Pro) before but I had forgotten the name and couldn't re-find the thread. That's the same place you said to advertise my newsletter, right?

    I'd aim the traffic at my own sites, but that should work fine...the pages convert well!

    $10/day, $310/month, that's a nice little "tip" for an hour a month of cutting and pasting...This time I've written those site names down!

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    Lighten up nerdy boy

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    Well thanks for letting me know about that thread and my error.

    I was wrong or foolish either way no excuse.

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    Dave,

    The differance is NIGHT and DAY!

    Heyder used SIC TOS Big Deal!

    99% of "Legal" documents are boilerplate forms so I don't see a problem with copying a TOS and ploping in XYZ name!

    What Pranav did was copy an original non-biolerplate work!

    Haiko

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    I sent an email to searchfeed regarding what I did.

    I'm anxious for their responce.

    I have a very hard time believing that they copied SIC TOS at least without permision because they are a good sized company that has been around for six years online.

    Yet Steve never made that point at SI.

    I am also wondering what position they will take on my actions.

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