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    Hello One and all,

    Well I have tried numerous times to get DMOZ to sort out the description they have given my site on their search engine.

    Its not what I sent in and no matter how many emails I send NO ONE replies at all, even if they changed it and did not reply I would be happy.

    Also I thought AOL and others used DMOZ but my site does not seem to have reached the AOL side of things.

    Anyone have any ideas (legal and non-violent) to get my entry changed at DMOZ.

    I look forward to the replies

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    Desperate
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    I'm not an editor but I did request and had an entry changed.

    The only reason they changed it was because of later changes I had made to the site therefore needing a new description.

    If the editor doesn't think it needs a change they will not do it.
    If they will change it give them some time.(same as submitting a site)but they might not change it at all.

    They never contact you or return emails.


    AOl needs a couple of months in most circumstances. The best I ever had was 3 weeks with them.

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    What you have to remember about DMOZ is that the editors are volunteers and the impression I get is that they are rather plaesed with themselves. The overall feeling being of "I have the final decision in this and will not respond unless you make me feel superior by doing so". Imagine your least approachable teacher at school and then you want to get a major favour from him/her. Tread softly, massage the ego and you should be successful.

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    The whole DMOZ process SUCKS - consider yourself lucky to even be listed.

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    If you have been listed for some time and you are an affiliate marketer, I would suggest not sending changes in. You might find that all you have accomplished is getting your site removed.

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    read the submission rules

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    What description did you submit? It seems like the #1 thing you can do to get an editor to ignore you is include any kind of promotional language, hype, or something they think is keyword stuffing.

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    Welcome! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/welcome.gif>

    Amazing photography ... Absolutely Amazing! (but you know I think that [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

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    Eljay, nice site.. I like the pic of the gargoyles in Paris [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Why even bother with dmoz.org?

    If you look at the aol search results you will see that they have been using 100% Inktomi for some time now.

    Check the results of any search here... http://169.207.238.189/search/search.pl
    against aol.com search and you will see they are one and the same.

    Dmoz helps only slightly, very slightly with google ranking so I would concentrate on Inktomi where they will refresh your listing every 48 hrs for a small fee.

    --Peter

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    Thanks for the nice comments about the photos. One thing that's cool about the gargoyles is the further you get from what would have been a public area back then, the funkier they get. So there are carvings of eagles, elephants, funny little men, just whatever they felt like doing.

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    Totally agree about DMOZ being crummy- I've never submitted to DMOZ for numerous reasons - one being a lack of confidence in the objectivity of human reviewers - plus it can mess up your inktomi submissions. Personallly I'd rather see the web without DMOZ - give me robot-spiders and computer-based algorithms for general search engine resuts and keyword bidding for the rest. Provided the algorithms are good the search results can be just as good if not better than DMOZ.

    And as for DMOZ being an "Open diretory", well tell that to the hundreds of good affiliate sites that apparently get refused just for being affiliate sites.

    No offense to anyone who does DMOZ stuff by the way.

    [ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: futuresky ]

    [ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: futuresky ]

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    I agree with the not being open part,the sucks part and I would add very well pleased
    to the editors being well pleased with themselves part.I've had a great ranking in Google since July without them,I signed up
    with Inktomi in September and that was the best $30 I've spend on the net

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    DMOZ is worth doing but it's soooo patchy.

    Editors are advised never to contact subnmitters, and there are no automated tools to do the notification for you.

    It's worth doing the ODP/DMOZ thing if only because it helps with your Google rankings so much!

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    Hi Folks,

    Well thanks for the feedback. I will be looking at Inktomi once I have managed to sort out the budget we will be spending on our E-Commerce side of the business as we are making a very large push into the tourist marketplace so have to start getting the ball rolling. So far this has been a small project but its going to burst into a larger, more serious issue as we would like some of the $600 million that is spent in our City each year by 2.5million tourists.

    Thanks once again

    regards John

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    I've been mulling over the whole DMOZ thing recently. My feeling with DMOZ is that it's worth submitting any given site once, but if the site is at all dubious put in as harmless and non-hyped (i.e. crappy) description as you can imagine, and if you get in, great, it helps the page rank a bit, and if not, don't stress over it. Keep in mind that most areas have only one editor, and if you get a jerk there's not much you can do about it. It's an argument for maintaining several sites with totally different topics. Some will get listed, some won't depending on the editor. Keep in mind that any given URL, once rejected, comes up as having been previously rejected and I think most editors are behind and aren't inclined to think anything has change unless it's been a couple of months.

    Keep in mind that their home page says 450,000 categories and 44,000 editors but that's all the editors that have ever contributed. I saw the number recently for editors that still own a category and I think it was under 9000. So a lot of these areas get pretty neglected. If there's no listed editor for your category you can kind of assume the worst in terms of how much attention you're getting.

    So if we take Top: Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Scotland: Glasgow, City of: Transport there's no editor. Click to Glasgow. Still no editor. Click to Scotland. Five editors show up for 8,135 sites. So there are five guys who probably have some specific interest in some other category like Scotish tourism or something, and periodically somebody has to go through the Glasgow stuff. Well, maybe none of the five have ever been to Glasgow. Do you really think it's getting a lot of quality attention? It has 639 sites as it is, and who knows how many unreviewed changes.

    Anyway, if it really bugs you, you can always apply to be an editor!

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    I'm actually going to say something positive about DMOZ. I read this thread so I decided to have a look at DMOZ to make sure my site was still there. When I found my site I found out that they actually updated my category to a better one that I tried intially to get into (without any success) and noticed they wrote a better description too.

    The funny thing is that I didn't ask for any of this so for now, I'm a fan of the ODP.

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    Could anyone give me a bit of insight as to what happens if you submit a site to a categoy which has no editor?

    Who would it be that reviews the site?

    Whould it be quicker than a category with an editor?

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    I have two sites and submitted them once each to DMOZ and was listed without problem.

    It is worth doing as I get hits from all kinds of other places and search engines that I know I haven't submitted to, but who have got their information from DMOZ.

    Read the details on how to submit very carefully and follow it to the letter. One thing I did acidentally (ie without planning it that way) was to submit my sites (both content sites) BEFORE I'd put up affiliate links and built my shopping pages. Maybe that helped too.

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    If you submit to a cat with no editor, either a higher level editor will look at it, or it will eventually be picked up by a "greenbuster" sweep which goes through the directory sorting out unrewieweds.

    A few really basic tips:

    One - make sure the site is finished before you submit it, else the editor may visit straight away and then reject if it's still under constructions (check your access logs for a link referral from http://dmoz.org/editors/editcat.cgi or something.)

    Two - link farms are the #1 reason why you'll get rejected. You might choose to add more links once it's been approved, but the site has to have sufficient unique content to be added in the first place. Also, the site will probably be reviewed from time-to-time.

    Three - the best way of tracking submissions is to become an editor - then, if you add the site to your bookmarks, you can see if it's been accepted, rejected or not. All you have to do is maintain a small corner of the directory [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Hi
    Well once again thanks for the replys. I have voluntered to become an editor for DMOZ and have sent in my application twice but so far no one has replied.

    The thing is that the word TAXI is missing from the description so if people are looking for that kind of transport then it will not come up.

    I will once again send an email requesting the update and also putting forward my services. Dont really mind looking after all the taxi stuff for the UK. There are only 10,000 companies at the last count.

    regards John

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