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    I hate all this drama and I guess it's partially my fault - however, I still stand by what I said about not getting the hits I paid for and my original review of the service.

    Delete it if you'd like or maybe it'll just go away.

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    yeah, i saw a HUGE guy standing next to your search engine listings and he was threatening people that tried to click your links and visit your websites [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    [edited because i forgot to include mr smiley]

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    Jada, I can't think of how easysitehits could have anything to do with the traffic at your other sites... could explain a bit more about what you think is happening?

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    Hmm, couldn't even imagine how that would be possible. More likely just a few off days.

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    Jada, I'm in the dark here (surprise). Did you pay easysitehits.com for traffic and they didn't deliver? Or was it just junk traffic they sent? There are a lot of similar sites that say they'll send you traffic for a fee. I've alsways figured that they are scams. Asie from this latest issue, was easysitehits.com any good?

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    Check your traffic from Inktomi. I've noticed some fluctuations there lately. Has the rank changed on any of your really good terms?

    Just a thought ...

    Elisabeth

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    I took a deep breath and did further research.

    First - Easysitehits did not deliver all the traffic they promised.

    Second - Yes, it was mainly garbage traffic, I will never do it again.

    Third - Yes, I checked some of my yahoo listings and it appears yahoo has flipped it wig yet again since it's last shift just last week.

    Fourth - I'm done complaining - I'm just thankful my sites aren't all dumped and I'm still getting a decent amount of traffic and commissions.

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    hey jada

    do you know what sites are sending traffic from the easysitehits.com deal?

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    Wow, some serious allegations from my previous customer!

    As the owner of EasySiteHits.com, I must say in defense, that I DO deliver all AND more than promised.

    I take what I do VERY seriously and for someone to jump on a board and say 'They are stealing my traffic from my other sites', is absolutley crazy. I make every attempt to provide excellent customer service and overdeliver. What didn't you contact me directly and voice your complaint? Seems like it's easier to slander me on a board...Show's everybody here how valuable your word is.

    Naturally, as you contemplate this message, you will begin to feel a bit guilty and publicly apologize for your actions.

    It's funny, the first person to start crying is the person who's site couldn't sell a cane to a crippled man, no matter how many crippled men visited that site :-)

    As far as the traffic being junk...If you were to send 10,000 emails to 10,000 good, opt-in recipients and none (0) of them purchased YOUR product, would that be a junk list? While a more experienced marketer could convert 10% and make a killing. Just food for thought.

    For the other serious marketers on this board, I wecome you to try my service and test it for yourself.

    Take care,
    Keith

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    Keith,

    Welcome! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/welcome.gif>

    Haiko

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    hey keith,

    cant sell canes to a cripple? i dont belive you, let us decide, whats her url?

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    You are not allowed to post her url on this board ... Not that I even assume that you would!

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    Sometimes, in anger, we say things against each other that isn't warranted ... lets just call it anger expressed. And move forward.

    Haiko

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    haiko, youve spoiled my fun now [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    keith, pm me the url
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    Keith,

    My apprehension with using ppc search engines, and services that drive traffic to web sites is that a lot of that traffic is incentive traffic, i.e. affiliates who get cpc revenue, web surfers who get cash back incentives for clicking on links, and surfers who get paid to surf. I am using two ppc search services as of this time. I check my web stats and find I am getting hits from web directory sites I never knew existed. I also see what I believe is suspicious activity; not too obvious, but for the trained eye (it takes one to know one) I can tell that not all my traffic is what I would call "legit". Also, Out of 500 click-throughs, with highly relevant search terms/keywords I have zero sales. Before this last Google glitch (update) I was getting 500-600 uniques a day, with an action that produced a sale or lead commission every 75 click throughs. That was from "free" traffic. So, you would definitely have to offer me some traffic that would produce those actions that result in revenue for me for me to become a repeat customer. I have considered using your service, but I am awaiting the verdict.

    I have two simple questions I want to ask you, concerning your service:

    (1) Does any of the traffic come from pay to surf incentives?

    (2) Does any of the traffic come via affiliate sites where the affiliate is offered a cpc revenue?

    If you can answer those questions it will be a big help to me in making a decision. Thanks.

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    O-MI-GAULD!!!!! WTF is this!!! First of all Keith if you read my post I did say that I re-evaluated the situation and noticed that some of my listings had changed on yahoo and could have been the result of the lost traffic. I am not blaming you for stealing my traffic. However, I stand by my previous statement and still say I did not get my 3,000 hits either. And I did try several time to email you at support@easysitehits.com and kept getting it returned in my email saying invalid address. But whatever!!

    Second, this board is for the giving, sharing and taking of information and if you don't like what is being said you shouldn't read the board. But we as affiliates are here to help each other. I was asked my opinion of the service and I gave it. I don't have anything to hid. You made yourself look like a XXXXXXXX XXX by posting your unprofessional comments on the board. And you call your business respectible. A real business owner who valued customer service would have gotton on this board and offered an apology to ME and a means to rectify the situation. Or did you skip that class in college. :rolleyes: Who knows, I might have been dum enough to try the service again. Do you ever see people from Linkshare or BeFree or even CJ getting on the boards and making comments toward customers/affiliates the way you just did. NO - they handle it in a professional manner. It makes me wonder what type of XXXXXXXXX I just gave my credit card number to. Because you are not professional at all.

    If a service is good, I say it's good, if it's not, I say it's not. Simple as that. That is what we do here. We evaluate affiliate programs, merchants, ppcs, and pay for bullshit hits too. Criticize or Commend!! Ride or Die!!!

    And as far as your comment about not being able to sell a cane to a crippled man. No - not with hits like that - I wouldn't be able to sell CRACK to a JUNKY!!!! And your offering for the "more serious" marketers to try your service. First of all my advertising budget is damn near $2,000 a month with companies far more reputable then yourself. And may I add my Advertising expense is a mere 20-25% of my actual monthly commissions. So you do the math!!! Second - Are you dum?? Why would they want to try your service after they see that you are not willing to resolve issues with the customers you ALREADY HAVE!!! But they are sure willing to try it if they like. Actually maybe they should try it and then they can decide who is being more honest here as far as the quality of the traffic, etc.

    I'm not here to prove to you what I can sell and can't sell. You get mad cause I comment on your services. I'm still waiting for the rest of my freaken hits. Comment on that. And where the XXXX did you come from anyway. I didn't see you poppin up a week ago when the first person posted a message about your service and asked advice about it. How were you able this time - to be here like Johnny on the spot. I'd like to know how you found out you were being FOUND OUT. That is so WEAK!!!

    And Psychomanthis - about you wanting my url. No good comes to those who are evil. You can get the url - and do whatever floats ya boat bay. Just don't jam ya self up.

    And Keith - I have some very sophisticated stats. Give out my url or any other PERSONAL, PRIVATE, and SECURE information that I posted on your site via my CREDIT CARD NUMBER and I will SUE your XXXXXXX XXX OFF!!! Your messin wit the wrong one baby!!!! I'm not wit that shit at all.


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    I asked Keith here to comment on this situation, Jada. You made some fairly serious allegations about his business (I invited before you recanted) and I felt it appropriate to get his side of the story (still do).

    And keep in mind that Keith NEVER offered to share any of your information -- he's not "messin'" with you.

    Beyond that, I won't comment on anyone's behavior in this thread, as Haiko said, let's move on.

    (and no, I don't know Keith and I'm in no way connected to easysitehits -- except I'm also testing their service and that is the primary reason I felt it critical that he respond to your accusations)

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    Whatever Cedric - That was kind of weak being that you guys asked my opinion of the service and then gonna run back and snitch when I post it. Do you also contact Linkshare, Cj, BeFree and the thousands of other merchants that are trashed on this board on a regular basis.

    Personally I feel that my confidentiallity was ruined on this board. You contact a company that I deal with and put me on front street like that after you guys asked my FREAKIN OPINION. Now this man has all my personal information and can, really if he wanted do, some pretty foul stuff with it because he is obviously not too professional. You could have emailed him what I said and asked for him to respond that way. I just feel real uncomfortable now seeing how unprofessional he acted and knowing he has my credit card number, address, etc.

    Thanks to you, next time I won't feel to comfortable sharing my experiences. There is nothing wrong with asking a company to comment. But when you unknowingly deal with an unprofessional company and then this man gets on the board and acts the way he did, I just think it is unsafe to handle things that way. He obviously does not value customer service. Because like I said if he did, he would have read the board and then said "Well Jadakiss look, I'm sorry you are not satisfied with our services. But Easysitehits does stand behind it's word of providing quality traffic. Therefore, I would like to try to rectify this problem with you because we value you as a customer. Contact me immediately so that we can handle this in a professional manner." Did I get any of that. NO!!!

    Haiko - am I wrong for feeling a little threatened about this situation. I just feel that I was done a little wrong here. I think I feel threatened because of the way the company responded.

    But whatever!! I Am So Out of Here!!

    Peace, Love and Success to you All.

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    Jada,

    I'm not Haiko but here's my anyway.

    First, yes you were done a wrong, IMO. I'm sure every merchant who gets flamed here does NOT get a personal PM from Cedric asking them to respond.

    On the other hand, if Keith doesn't know who's behind the screenname JadaKiss, it ain't sheet. And if he figures out who you are offline/somebody tells him, if he does anything with that CC you can enjoy busting his rear end for CC fraud!!

    Second, Keith has let us all know what an unprofessional rat HE is. To say to anyone "Naturally, as you contemplate this message, you will begin to feel a bit guilty and publicly apologize for your actions." is plain stupid. He must know all about not being able to sell canes to crippled people, with a "pitch" like THAT!!!

    Due to his response, I believe that you DIDN'T get the hits you were supposed to. That "divert attention from the real issue and then talk to the others" tactic is pure rot!

    Third, Psychomantis' attempt to get the URL, and get it broadcast on the boards, is really lame, weak, etc.

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    Thanks Leader. I like abestweb and I will still be participating on the boards. I was just upset and felt a little betrayed.

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    Phew, this is heated. Looking at his site it does seem to be linked only by those damn awful e-book kind of companies.

    Reminds of me of http://www.sfidboard.com/index.php

    psychomantis: Do not ask for somebodys URL, it's very unfair to that person.

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    Jada, first let me say that I am very very sorry you saw this as a betrayal -- that was certainly NOT my intention and if this was a private message board I would NEVER have made Keith aware of your message in any way shape or form. I never make emails sent to me public without permission and I would never take the contents of a private board and make them public. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Do you also contact Linkshare, Cj, BeFree and the thousands of other merchants that are trashed on this board on a regular basis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If I thought there was a snoflake's chanch of them responding, I would ABSOLUTELY invite them here. I LOVE that Todd is here and participates -- call me naive, but I had NO clue that others have a problem with his participation or find such participation threatening. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There is nothing wrong with asking a company to comment.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's what I thought. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But when you unknowingly deal with an unprofessional company and then this man gets on the board and acts the way he did, I just think it is unsafe to handle things that way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Jada, I had NO idea that he would react in the manner and tone that he did and yes, I thought it was unprofessional (BTW, I don't know if he knows your screen name, but he definitely knows mine [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]). BUT. He NEVER threatened to do anything with anyone's private information and I think it unfair that he's being attacked for psychomantis' question. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Thanks to you, next time I won't feel to comfortable sharing my experiences.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm sorry you feel that way, but this is a public board and I believed that merchants were welcome and even encouraged to participate here. If I'm wrong on that, I'm sure Haiko will soon be letting me know.

    All that said, and with full knowledge that Keith knows EXACTLY who I am, I will absolutely be posting my review of the service when all my hits have been served. It was my intention all along and I won't change that just because he's here (at this stage I have no idea if the review will be positive or negative).

    Again, Jada, I am truly sorry you saw this as a betrayal, that was never my intention and I feel very badly that it was perceived that way and very sorry that you felt threatened.

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    Wow, this is really bad - a MUST READ topic about a service stealing traffic, turns out to be not true (after a lot of people already read it), and then instead of an apology an all out bashing of the service when they rightfully and respectfully (under the circumstances) defend themselves.

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    Wooo, first before I start reading let me clarify this - I never said I didn't like Todd's participation on the boards. Todd is very professional and I think Todd is great!!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Haiko - am I wrong for feeling a little threatened about this situation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I can assure you that you have nothing to fear from my / abw's side ... I will NEVER divulge any members personal information at all ... NEVER! Keith's answer was "unprofessional" but as I stated ... the respective retorts were made out of anger and taking that into account I doubt that he will divulge your information either; If he does ... there are many, many recourses for such.

    While I can see why you would feel "betrayed", I can also state that there are a few merchants which have been "trashed" on ABW and they are members also. However, I seriously doubt that they would divulge anyone's personal information. It is my goal to get as many affiliate managers and ad networks onto ABW as possible to share information, be it good or bad, it will be worthwhile information to further improve us all collectively and respectively.

    Haiko

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    Confirm that you have read my answer and I'll kill it.

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