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    "CNET reports that EarthLink has quietly relaunched its search page using Google technology after it decided not to renew its relationship with OVER."

    Overture stock down 30% ($9.80) today.

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    Yeah...way to go Google - make them Overture put option values explode upwards.

    Bummer I could only afford a few of them three weeks ago.

    It's not often a company advertises the fact we're so stupid there is no way our stock can go up. And it FREE MONEY to go short.

    Yo bendOver - so long it's been good to know you.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>relaunched its search page using Google <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It should be interesting to see the fall-out on this one. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    Certainly doesn't look good for Overture.

    CodeJockey.

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    Wow, this is BIG TIME BAD for 'Oversure'

    LMAOROF HAHAHAHAHA

    Their stock - Nasdaq 'OVER' opened today at 30.11.

    The price right now is 19.20

    Sell sell sell, before it's too late! HAHAHAHAH

    Oh what a beautiful day =)

    Here is some more interesting reading:
    Suit targets pay per play sites

    :eek:

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    Dropping like a rock, it's now 18.20 per share!

    Better get those curbs in! Bwah hah hah

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    Serves them right for screwing the people who made them what they "were"

    The Affiliates [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    <font size="4">BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA!!!</font>

    Har har, serves them so right! Death by having their listings rejected!!! What poetic justice!

    Ha ha...I love it!

    The last thing they hear on this earth, will be the sound of AFFILIATES LAUGHING, ha ha, ROFLMAO, LOL...

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    Wait till Yahoo does the same thing and Overture begs people to come back and relist their listings that they droped.

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    GameBoy, LOL, I AM waiting for that

    I don't think Over would get too extensive of a response from me...

    "NO!"

    I may add a big pic (complete with alt text) to my response to Over for good measure...

    Ha ha, I'd print out their begging and frame it, though--it'd be too funny to delete!

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    I cancelled my listings with them this last week.....never could get them to approve the keywords I asked for....lololol....EVERY SINGLE KEYWORD was rejected! I gotta check my VISA account, but they just emptied my account, so I am assuming I got the refund I demanded.

    The funny thing is, after acknowledging my request to cancel my site listing, they said, "Thanks for doing business with Overture!" lolololol.....never make a sick guy laugh, my sides hurt...lololol

    -elbowcreek

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    Who do you go to now? (nice pun huh?)Isn't
    findwhat in up to their necks in scumware?
    I used 7 search for a while and then about a month ago they started deleting keywords.
    I'm looking for sports and sportsgambling related traffic, whom do you recommend with what's left to chose from in the PPCs?

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    What do you think will happen WHEN overture have killed themselves?

    Do you think that one of the other ppc's will take their place.

    Hopefully not FindWhat with all this WhenU cr*p!

    Whats Kanoodle like nowadays?

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    7Search is not setting any records but I'm seeing a slow but steady increase in traffic from there and it seems to be good quality. Maybe a hundred visitors a day from over a thousand keywords for several URLs.

    Things sure change. This time last year I was earning my living almost exclusively from penny listings at FindWhat. Sure couldn't do that now!

    Elisabeth Archambault

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    so are we all going to ask for a refund or shall we sit on the fence as usual?

    i asked this in the post about findwhat, you know, it would really put the sh|t$ up them if we all did that, all at the same time

    i dont belive that they would give anyone a refund but it would be nice to rub their faces in it

    i think they will let affiliate sites back in, probably, and if they do we should all submit pigugly pages in future

    how about we all email the facists and ask them why our favorite sites have dissappeared from their listings? (just dont tell them that our favorite sites are OUR sites [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] )

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    I'm burning the last of my Overture cash and won't renew. They'e too darned expensive - 5 cents a click is stupid.

    My vote is for Kanoodle. No hassle, low-cost listings, reasonable traffic and you even get them to display your banner if you're #1!

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    Overture's latest reason to reject my keywords: search term did not receive enough queries last month.

    It is a brand new product! I guarantee they will receive 10X as many searches for it this month, but nobody could bid so our Inktomi listing was even more valuable.

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    "Things sure change. This time last year I was earning my living almost exclusively from penny listings at FindWhat. Sure couldn't do that now!~Elisabeth"

    I hear you! Only I had Over as the primary place!! It was so weird the other day, to turn off the auto-replenish on that account...with the intentions of draining it dry!

    Of course, it's been too much of a PITA to get listings in there (if it can be done at all) for the last few months, so I have already had to find other ways to promote my pages...plus this "death of 1,000 cuts" random listing deletion is ridiculous, and my patience for that is gone! But even that's not the biggest thing I have against them...

    First, I have noticed that their traffic doesn't convert like it should anymore--ironically, it's because Over fired one of my listings so I had to do something else with it. Conversions returned--and my opinion of Over went the rest of the way through the floor!!!

    BUT NOT ONLY THAT, but a couple of weeks ago I removed some big batches of listings from Over--I took out over 100 listings! You'd think the "average daily click charges" would go DOWN, RIGHT???

    Well guess what! They supposedly went UP by $4/day after I did that!!! With NO new listings added, and NO bids raised--and over 100 less listings than before!!

    Buuuullll Hockeeeyyy... :mad:

    So it's official--even I no longer have anything good to say about Over!

    And then there's FindWhat that's so desperate that they have to pop listings on Google through WhenU to try to eat traffic [img]tongue.gif[/img] What little bit of traffic comes from there Sucks and when the money's out there, so much for that.

    But what the hey, changes are part of what makes this biz interesting! Who would have guessed that PPCs would commit mass suicide??

    On to other ways of advertising for me...

    Jimbo--that excuse for rejection sounds like about the lamest one yet! I hear you about Inktomi!!

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    I don't know what to make of the whole thing,
    but it IS time for a change, and things are definately changing fast !

    Before you know it, Yahoo will be launching it's own PPC listings, and the way things are moving along, looks like that may be real soon [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    Google has got to do something, though, about the way they are returning results.
    I doubt Earthlink will be too pleased with them eithor for long. Has anyone but me noticed how retarded the search results come back lately ?

    I was searching for "shrubs", because duhh... I want to BUY shrubs, but I get the University of Georgia Agricultural Dept, USDA plant disease site, The "Shrubs Family " stupidity page, UK garden sites, and everything BUT a place to go any order some freakin shrubs !!!

    They are just getting too carried away with that "content" crap , IMO :mad:


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Overture's latest reason to reject my keywords: search term did not receive enough queries last month. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Wow, I didn't know they did that. So if I am looking for a golden widget that is new to the market, they will come up with a blank page for results. I'm glad I don't own stock with them. I'd be all over them about the changes if I did.

    One thing for sure though. If Yahoo goes to pay per click I won't be able to afford the cost of the keywords. Prices for keywords at Yahoo will make Overture nickle min. look like a steal.

    I think what Overture is doing and it may work for them is getting rid of the smaller bids. The more they eliminate the better the competition is for the top bidders. I think sooner or later we will see only a limmited amnt of returned listings there. Instead of them returning 100 + listings for a certain keyword they will return maybe 20 or so and the bids will be really high to be in that 20. Their definately up to something.

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    Serves 'em right! PPC ruined search engines.

    It was better when people had to fight to make the BEST pages to get to the top, content, meta-tags and so forth. I feel a lot of creativity went out the window when all you need is a big bank account to get a bigger bank account.

    Well, you all know my feelings on this by now.

    I am hoping to see some improvements where if a person wants to buy widgets, they will know where to go to buy them and if they want to make their own widgets, they can find the information to do that, too. (And, perchance, buy the goodies to make widgets!)

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    Hey, actually got a refund from Overture, without having to jump through hoops...... if you don't count the zillion times I tried to get a keyword approved, lololol.

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    elbowcreek,

    great work<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif>

    who did you address the email to when you asked for your refund?

    i am composing a refund request for findwhat, they have $50 of mine that i dont wish to give to whenu

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    WELL IT'S OFFICIAL!

    My account at Over is now $0.00!!

    And sales are still coming in due to the Other Marketing I had been setting up!!! (Whew!)


    "And, perchance, buy the goodies to make widgets!)~Ssanf"

    Nah, they'll mooch info on HOW to build the thing at a Content site, and then go to a Commercial site (preferably mine) to buy the stuff!

    Who's going to buy hardware in a library?!?

    Actually, PPCs did C*ntent a BIG FAVOR by providing an easy alternative to grabbing up a top Free SE spot.

    "Perchance" is not a model any serious businessperson is going to follow--not without getting a quick-quick trip to F'dCompany.com anyway! There may be a few flukes that manage...but then there's a few specimens left of MANY endangered species!

    Although an engine that separates Commercial sites from C*ntent would still be good--a "nature preserve" for those C*ntent sites that can't compete with the Massive, Powerful Capitalistic Economy, so to speak! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Coming soon to a theater near you -

    Clickhere2findit.com - The Ultimate Directory.

    20 categories - Only 20 listings for each category. Listings will be priced on CPM.
    Listings will be arranged in the expanded classified ad format used by USA Today - a
    Bold Headline and a three lines of text.
    The whole ad will be a link.

    Affiliates will earn 6 or 7 cents per click thru depending on the final deal we make with the 'trusted third party.' You can bet it WILL NOT be Snare or BeScrewed.

    As it looks right now, the affiliate program will be housed at CJ, DirectLeads or Webclients depending upon which one wins the bid.

    PR is being prepared to go out worldwide.

    An introductory email announcement blast to 1,000,000 opt-in people is already lined up.

    An announcement inviting 85,000 webmasters to join the affiliate program will soon be sent out.

    Every merchant on CJ, Snare, BeScrewed, Performics will be invited to secure a listing.

    Three major ad agencies will be soliciting listings from their worldwide clients.

    Abestweb members will have an opportunity to
    get listings at a discount. AND TO SELL LISTINGS AND EARN A COMMISSION.

    Once the 20 listings per category are filled,
    a waiting list per category will be maintained. Any merchant who does not renew, gets replaced. Automatic renewal will be available.

    Each category will be targeted by affiliates.
    Each category is expected to receive from 300,000 to 3,000,000 pageviews per month within 90 days.

    If searchers do not find what they are looking for in the 20 category listings they will have the option of searching at one of the exiting search engines.

    Our goal is to generate 1 million aggregated category pageviews per day within 180 days
    and 3 million by December 2002.

    People can play or not as they see fit...

    Some categories will fill up fast and some will take awhile - but if you have one of the 20 slots in a category - you can use it or rent it.

    The only thing we care about is we get the CPM listing FEE in advance.

    Let the games begin. -

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    Lots of insider selling over at Overture. http://biz.yahoo.com/t/o/over.html

    Bill Gross is dumping his stock left and right.

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