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    I would think I've tried everything or at least the most obvious things when it comes to promoting my website...I mean I submitted with Dynamic Submission Pro or whatever. I had the full version and I submitted my website to 1000 search engines or so. And yet, barely anyone has visited my webiste in over 2 weeks.
    I also tried banner exchanges but ended up getting rid of most of those and currently I only have one banner on my website. I can't afford to pay money to promote my site..not yet. Once I get visitors and start getting paid then maybe/probably yes..I'll be able to pay..not I just can't now.
    Can someone help me out? My webpage is at http://makecash.freehomepage.com

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    There is no need to submit your site to 1,000 search engines because there are only a handful out there that send any signigicant traffic. Better to target the biggest and best (Google, MSN, AOL, Yahoo, etc.) and spend time making pages that these engines will like. Google is currently free and sends the most traffic, at least for us. A $39 fee will get you into Inktomi, which powers MSN and AOL, for a year. Forget the little engines and FFA pages. They just aren't worth much.

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    Your biggest problem is that you're promoting something that no one is looking for. I just checked WordTracker, and it reports that out of the last 322 million searches they've tracked, there were a whopping nine (9) searches for "get paid for reading emails" which seems to be your target phrase. Even if you were #1 on every single search engine anywhere, there wouldn't be much point.

    If you want to make money on the internet, you need to be promoting products and services for which there is some demand.

    Elisabeth Archambault

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    I know some people may disagree with this but why dont you try some of the get hits for opening your browser programs.
    Programs like startblaze.com are full of people who are trying to get traffic to their site (all be it untargetted). This is why most of the sites on these programs are get hits quick prgrams.

    So, I'm guessing most of them want this traffic to make money.

    So some of them might be interested in these get paid to surf and get paid to read email schemes.

    It might not work but if you've no budget it could be worth a try.

    BTW, Keep going at google and the other search engines as well. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    If you go here:-
    http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/

    and type things in, you can see how many people searched for whatever you typed.

    The best keywords should wait till you're an expert, but a collection of related ones that get 100+ searches a month each, when gathered together, should make a decent commercial theme for a site.

    My approach is to build the kind of store I've looked for on Google when I wanted to buy something, and failed to find.

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    Hi Martin (and welcome) [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    Yeah, I have to go with the flow on this one.. you're competing in a crowded marketplace with too many sites chasing not enough visitors.

    Unless you're going to be making a high margin for visitors from your site and can afford to pay for them, you're going to have to offer something unique - i.e. content.

    To be honest (I mean *really* honest - I have a hangover) these schemes you're promoting look like a scam.. sorry. So that's going to put people off. Oh yes, and the webcounter looks kind of sad and lonely - if you really wanted to convince me that it's a decent scheme, lose the webcounter.

    Another issue is that some of your visitors are going to click on the banner at the top - and make money for your hosting company. Looks like they use popunders too, and you won't get the money for that either. Most people here will suggest that you get it properly hosted.

    Icicle:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My approach is to build the kind of store I've looked for on Google when I wanted to buy something, and failed to find. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Great point Icicle.. I built Dynamoo partly because I couldn't find the information easily anywhere else.

    You can even just generate content on another site and then put banners up for your revenue site (or maybe use popunders even though I hate 'em).

    On paying for promotion.. the hard economics are this.. if you're an affiliate (i.e. you don't actually have a real product sitting in a warehouse to sell) then making money through PPC (pay-per-click) engines is very difficult, and really not to be attempted until you've gained some experience.

    OK so now I've probably depressed you and you might be thinking "well what kind of content do you mean?" Really, people will visit all sorts of stuff, but a quick and dirty way to create a site is to pick a topic you know about, write a little, include some photos, shopping links and a directory off dmoz.org, that kind of thing. Then go about the usual process of search engine submissions, getting listed in DMOZ and Zeal (I have some info on this on Dynamoo, link below) swap links etc etc.

    To be honest, I can't see how you would attract visitors to the page as it is at present, and if you're going to put the effort into promotion, you'd probably be best building something with content and/or a better profit margin.

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    I have to agree with everything said so far. Take a look at your pages from the perspective of the surfer - what are you actually offering, what is your USP, why would anyone want to take up these offers. If you have the answers to these questions, then that is what you should be building your site around. Once you've done this, then you should be putting some money into creating traffic and so on.

    And,yeah, get some proper hosting. You can get high quality hosting for less than $4 per month. I would post some URLs but I don't know if I'm allowed to do so (they're not affiliate links, btw.)

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>what is your USP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> USP = Unique Selling Proposition

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    Don't spend money on site submission at this stage.
    You need to make a 'search engine friendly' site to get free traffic - I found www.selfpromotion.com useful (free).
    Then you need use what you have learned to build a site targetting customers with credit cards who want to BUY something.
    If you want to spend some money, get a book or two - the non-designers web book from peachpit press is excellent, making money online by jason kelly might be worth a look too.
    Longer term, wordtracker is a must. Dynamic Submission is a useful tool, if you have paid and registered then hang on to it, the optimizer tool is particularly useful - but cover the stuff at selfpromotion first.

    [ 03-10-2002: Message edited by: potato ]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Don't spend money on site submission at this stage. You need to make a 'search engine friendly' site to get free traffic <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Not only that, you need to make content that people actually want to look at. Not to sound mean but do people actually look for the kind of stuff you are trying to "sell". As Dynamoo said, most of those schemes are scams.

    The only way I can see those pages getting any traffic is by using those click for hits/start page programs that Jq recommended. The problem there is that you will be competing with a million other webmasters who are trying to do the same thing.

    Just being honest. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif>

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    Ditto what everyone else said.

    There are not too many people out there who wake up in the morning and say "I want to learn how to make money reading emails today". :rolleyes:

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are not too many people out there who wake up in the morning and say "I want to learn how to make money reading emails today".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Absolutely, work out what problems people have woken up with today and build a site to help them solve a few, and earn a few dollars into the bargain [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Wow! Thanx guys! Keep em coming..lol! No really..I really appreciate all the responses!
    BUT..HOW can I make my site sound legit and convincing..what should I change it to from what it is. I've been trying to figure it out but I'm just not sure! Any guesstions?

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    Try marketing something else (don't ask me what though).

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>..HOW can I make my site sound legit and convincing.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Start with a product / service that has a better track record than getting paid to receive advertising. It was an innovative concept, but "incentivized" advertising did not turn out to be a cost-effective way for businesses to promote their sites. So, even if people set up such a program with the best of intentions, it's a "sunset enterprise."

    Most of the webmasters on this board are involved in affiliate marketing, which involves real sales of real products. Online stores pay us to host their links and send paying customers.

    You need three main ingredients:
    1) a good product to promote
    2) an effective website to promote it
    3) targeted traffic

    #1 could be just about anything, as long as it's something that enough people are actually looking for. I'd suggest starting by building a site around a topic that fits your existing background knowledge and interests. You'll have a much easier time with #2 it you can write knowledgeably about what you're promoting. Even ad spin has to be intelligent! As for #3, that's the hardest one for most of us. The biggest issue there is finding cost-effective ways to attract traffic to one's site.

    You don't have to do things perfectly, as long as you're willing to test and learn and fine-tune things as you go. My mentor once told me that a second-rate site which is actually launched will be more profitable than the practically perfect site that sits on someone's computer because he wants it to be flawless before anyone sees it.

    Have fun brainstorming!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>a second-rate site which is actually launched will be more profitable than the practically perfect site that sits on someone's computer<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I've got many years of experience managing second-rate sites that are more profitable than most perfect sites that were launched. It's #1 & #3 that matter the most.

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    If you're going to promote these types of offers you need to go where they can be found. I hate to say it but www.clickthru.com is probably the place to be. (no it's not an affiliate url) Also get involved in some banner exchanges and buy some popup ads.

    Abestweb has a good program for popups at www.abestweb.com/be/buy_pop-up_traffic.htm


    I know you said you don't want to spend money until you've had money come in but it doesn't really work that way at least not for most people. If you want free traffic you'll just have to do more work and spend more time at it but that's the choice you have to make. If there were a sure fire easy way we would be all over it ourselves.

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    Martin--

    Getting traffic worked backwards for me in regards to paying.

    A lot of people think, "go for free traffic first, then when some money comes in, pay". But I found that to be exactly opposite of what happened for me.

    When I was new, SEO sounded like the name of a sports car and I knew nothing about it. My attempts at getting free traffic got nowhere...

    Therefore, I had to PAY UP for every hit when I was new.

    But now that I have some experience, I am able to get that Free traffic. And once I got Free traffic, the idea of paying lost a lot of luster... I pay for some traffic as a "hedge", though, and probably always will. I've read about too many Google flip-flops etc. to totally stop paying... (Anyway, paying for hits helped me a lot--it made me ACUTELY aware of what will destroy the conversion ratio--AND what works! When every hit is costing, a lot more attention is placed on the effectiveness of the pages when it comes to converting those hits into money!)

    Anyway, my main advice for getting a high rank in Google is pretty basic: Look at the top 10 or so sites and see what they did. Do NOT copy [as in "steal" or "borrow"] anything (Hopefully you wouldn't anyway, but due to certain events that have happened at ABW I add that statement now)!

    But look for the patterns. Keyword density, amount of text, amount of links-in, Page Rank of sites linking in, etc. Check the "Alt" tags of images...

    Then make a site that's uniquely yours but has the patterns that get in the top listings. Tweak your page until you are satisfied with the results!

    It is much easier to start out targeting keywords OTHER than the absolute most popular...all the traffic from lesser-used keys adds up, plus it's not so frustrating! Of course, once you get more practice go for the Aces!

    I will admit that I didn't look at your site (I'm a bit too tired to do a review), but if you look at the top 10 sites in your category you should be able to see where the problems are and be able to correct them...

    I will echo what the others said about paid e-mail in general. It's definitely the tail end of the wave...about all that's left of that cup of "coffee" is the dregs.

    Good luck anyway!

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    Leader:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A lot of people think, "go for free traffic first, then when some money comes in, pay". But I found that to be exactly opposite of what happened for me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I find that you have to start off with some pay traffic else you'll never get started.. but I think in this case the site's gonna generate very little traffic paid or not [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

    I guess there are three models.. Leader's PPC approach is a great way of doing it if you have the skills to make it work, but the ability to successfully exploit market niches is a difficult one.

    The content approach is better at getting free traffic.. but there's a lot of content out there (getting towards one web page for every human in the world!) so finding something unique is difficult. I guess the same applies for a unique selling point.

    The third model is a hybrid between the two - a mix of content (or selling point) combined with some PPC advertising to get noticed. For example - there might be lots of sites to do with garden gnomes - but if you're running a garden gnome site, some pay advertising can promote you to the number one garden gnome site and all the riches that entails. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    I guess in simple terms:

    Selling Point + Promotion = Revenue [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    >Elizabeth said: My mentor once told me that a second-rate site which is actually launched will be more profitable than the practically perfect site that sits on someone's computer...

    When it came time to actually pay for some of my pages to be promoted, I decided I would only submit 'finished' pages.

    Mysteriously, I couldn't seem to find too many. It turned out that I'd only completed 1.5%. This had never stopped me uploading them intending to finish them later but I forget everything! Sometimes I only see the state a page is in when someone buys something from it. Then it gets improved and possibly split into several pages.

    Martin, it sounds like theres a lot to learn, and we all learned it in a different order. Some of it might seem impossible but if you start with the bits you're fairly confident at, by the time you've finished them you'll know what to do next.

    Many of the worst tasks have software solutions too.


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