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    Last week a new affiliate signed-up under my affiliate program. The affiliate runs one of those "click for rewards" websites where members get credit for every link they click on. I don't mind the traffic because I have the program set to pay only for "leads". However, I was just curious if anyone could tell me where this traffic is coming from because other than aol and a few others, I don't recognize these domains in my log;

    Domain/number of visitors/pages viewed
    1. sdi.tpnet.pl 2,840 0
    2. aol.com 2,826 0.3
    3. t-dialin.net 1,845 0.1
    4. abo.wanadoo.fr 1,133 0
    5. bbtec.net 1,057 0
    6. rr.com 1,028 0.5
    7. attbi.com 921 0.2
    8. cscoms.com 768 0
    9. uu.net 708 0.6
    10. ocn.ne.jp 642 0
    11. estpak.ee 625 0
    12. comcast.net 538 0.3
    13. shawcable.net 518 0.1
    14. dialog.net.pl 479 0
    15. so-net.ne.jp 455 0
    16. odn.ad.jp 451 0
    17. sympatico.ca 441 0.2
    18. dion.ne.jp 436 0
    19. takas.lt 435 0
    20. nombres.ttd.es 431 0.1
    21. giga.net.tw 414 0.1
    22. infoweb.ne.jp 413 0
    23. sovam.com 402 0.1
    24. mesh.ad.jp 387 0
    25. netvigator.com 373 0.1
    26. btopenworld.com 370 0.2
    27. rogers.com 358 0.2
    28. plala.or.jp 357 0
    29. home.ne.jp 357 0
    30. pacbell.net 355 0.3
    31. level3.net 332 0.7
    32. cox.net 318 0.5
    33. home.com 312 0
    34. kj.estpak.ee 311 0
    35. optonline.net 298 2.5
    36. trt.estpak.ee 271 0
    37. xnet.ro 267 0.1
    38. hinet.net 258 0
    39. bellsouth.net 256 0.6
    40. ppp.tpnet.pl 253 0
    41. adelphia.net 250 0.3
    42. speed.planet.nl 247 0
    43. zaq.ne.jp 242 0
    44. mistral.cz 235 0
    45. pol.co.uk 229 0.3
    46. chello.pl 229 0
    47. mediaone.net 225 0.5
    48. ja.net 218 0.1
    49. adsl-dhcp.tele.dk 217 0
    50. inet.co.th 208 0
    51. acn.pl 207 0
    52. mindspring.com 204 0.4
    53. dialup.mtu-net.ru 201 0
    54. adsl.cybercity.dk 200 0
    55. dip0.t-ipconnect.de 200 0
    56. telia.com 197 0
    57. lsn.estpak.ee 196 0
    58. iprimus.net.au 195 0
    59. swbell.net 194 0.5
    60. asahi-net.or.jp 193 0
    61. ntl.com 181 0.3
    62. optusnet.com.au 181 0
    63. gtei.net 180 0.4
    64. tt.ee 177 0
    65. telus.net 174 0.2
    66. att.net 173 0.8
    67. nttpc.ne.jp 168 0
    68. telesp.net.br 167 0.1
    69. seed.net.tw 167 0.1
    70. turboline.skynet.be 164 0.1
    71. uswest.net 164 0.5
    72. scvmaxonline.com.sg 160 0
    73. a2000.nl 160 0
    74. verizon.net 159 0.5
    75. catv.ne.jp 15

    As you can see, this affiliate seems to be sending me mostly click and run visitors. I am thinking about dropping them, but then again, are there any benefits from all this traffic? They come and go so fast that their visits don't even register as hits on the banner exchange program I participate in.

    Is it possible that this is affiliate is participating in some sort of automated scam and just didn't realize that I pay on a per lead basis and not a per click?? This week the affiliate gave me over 300,000 impressions, 3,715 visitors and 214 leads. All that trouble only earned them a whole $23.95 in commissions.

    Any thoughts on what is going on here???

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    Pretty much without exception - those are all large and mid sized ISPs. You would expect to see these in your logs. But there is something definately odd there - if you look at the number of page views column.

    I guess this is an average page views column, but even so that Polish ISP at the top of your list is averaging 0 page views per visitor. This is not really possible. Incentivized traffic is pretty much worthless anyway (even porn exit traffic is worth more than this type) but this looks very fishy to me.

    Drop the affiliate. He's wasting your bandwidth and making your log files look a mess !

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    I'm going with markymark on this one, I'd drop 'em just for making me wade through the junk in my log files. Definitely looks like junk traffic.

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    Thank you. I'm on it.

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    Hey! I know two.

    Shawcable.net -- that's what I'm on. It's the only cable internet provider in Alberta.

    Rogers.com -- same thing but in Ontario.

    They both used to be part of the now defunct @home network.

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    pol=planet online, a uk provider
    btopenworld is an internet service from British Telecom (UK again)

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Shawcable.net . It's the only cable internet provider in Alberta<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I've been wondering where that one was!

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    Yo Slug - youall listen to the know it alls.

    You just got 300,000 branding impressions for only $24. I.e - your site name made it into the consciousness of all those people.

    The actual traffic cost you less than a penny per click. Your banner converted at more than 1% which is good.

    Your closing ratio of sales(leads) to actual traffic was over 5%+. That number is pretty decent these days.

    You would be better off tweaking your sign up page to see if you can up the conversions than dropping the affiliate.

    But what do I know...

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    It's probably worth observing for a while. Is there a way you can track the quality of the leads from this source? You've noted the click-and-run visitors; now you need a sense of whether there were a lot of sign-up-and-run visitors too. One thing that might be a clue is whether your traffic from bookmarks rises proportionately along with your overall numbers.

    BTW, sympatico.ca is a consortium of Canadian telephone companies. If I had chosen dialup instead of cable, they would have been one of my choices in this area.

    Elisabeth Archambault

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You just got 300,000 branding impressions for only $24. I.e - your site name made it into the consciousness of all those people.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I would DEARLY love for someone to explain to me how you get "branding impressions" with ZERO page views.

    Osmosis?

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    I'm gonna have to go with Cedric on this one. There are only two conclusions that I have come to;

    The bulk of the traffic is from Poland. The affiliate might be run running some sort of automated program that imitates real clicks. My search engine optimization software works like that. It makes Overture think that a real person is clicking on the site and updating the bids manually.

    OR...

    This guy recruited a bunch of poor Polish people and they click and run.

    Either way, I don't see how I can be gaining any branding impressions. The site is in English and it's geared towards North America and the UK. It's useless to a Polish person.


    By the way... I dropped the merchant and they did not even e-mail me for an explanation. I thinkthey don't even realize that I dropped them from the program because my links are still up on his site and they are still active. Now I'm getting thousands of impressions for free [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    [ 03-14-2002: Message edited by: seaslug44 ]

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    bellsouth(.net) is the local phone company/ISP in the Carolinas

    rr.com - is roadrunner (cable service)

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    So, you advertised a merchants who was paying for the leads and then set up an affiliate program where you paid a percentage of the lead earnings you got to your affiliates.

    If you said that in the first place, I'd have said drop the whole deal. I thought they were your leads.

    I thought you said you had 300,000 impressions. Ah, the famous 'ghost clicks.'
    Click and go. Happens all the time.

    But you did get 3715 click thrus and that's not bad. So change your banner to advertise stuff you actually sell and deliver. You could do okay with 3715 click thrus selling some fo the stuff off Clickbank - people everywhere buy that stuff since most of it is a simple download.

    You couls also pay 1 cent per click thru but track it as a lead since lead tracking almost NEVER registers any click and go stuff. Then have the landing link go to a page you simply have one offer on and change the offer every other day.

    I have done that for 4 years and make at least one to ten sales everyday - some are leads, some are product sales, some are per click deals. In a month if you got 3715 clicks it would cost slighly more than $1 per day and You should easily cover that from
    making one sale per day - and two sales per day will be profitable. Before Ebay changed their deal - I would knock down 10 or leads every day ($50) from $3 per day in per clicks tracked as leads.

    I'm still doing the same thing but due to the ecomony and other BS it's not quite as lucrative.

    But I did make a good killing recently advertising a Calaphon pan on sale for 70% off at Amazon. Sold 21 pans in two days.

    On one Ebook offered thru Roibot I sold something like 37 in week doing the same thing.

    But none of this stuff even comes close to the MLM earnings I make - from using the same deal to get sign-ups to places like It Pays To Learn, BuildReferrals, Mint Mail and the like.

    There are lots of ways to use the set up you have so, I would keep the guys and try to find something people in Poland want.

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