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    Finally dmoz editor [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
    anyone here old dmoz editor give me some advices?

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    hey congrats

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    <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif> [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Accept affiliate sites. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

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    Ditto on the congrats.
    What categories do you have?

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    yes, accept affiliate sites. Communicate with other editors on how to get the powers that be at dmoz fired, homeless, and standing in the food stamp line. I guess you can tell I have an attitude about the ODP and it's elitist, snob, bias toward affiliate sites. String 'em up, and hang 'em.

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    Don't cool your own site [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    In fact don't cool ANY site until you have a load of edits.

    And remember, the second edit category is always the hardest to get.

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    Do quality work (according to what your overlords think is quality). Do as much as you can while maintaining quality. And do it with a smile. If you lose your sense of humor, you should be looking for the door.

    If you can't find a door, there are always windows.

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    http://dmoz.org/guidelines.html#Site

    "A site that lists affiliate links in addition to other content (such as a fan site for a singer that has interviews and photos and links to buy the singer's CDs) might be an¬* acceptable submission to the directory.¬* Sites that consist primarily of links to buy books or CDs, etc. and/or provide no unique content are not appropriate for inclusion in the directory. "

    Trash the link farms and add the CONTENT sites! If the webmaster can't take the time to build a site to the dmoz guidelines - #@*! em

    Stay out of the fora - in most cases it is just noise and can get political.

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    Actually there's a useful "come here to get your cat checked" thread which you should use *before* you apply for your second category.

    As Adam says, read the guidelines thoroughly. If you want to edit any subsequent cats you're going to have to scour the web to bring new additions to it.

    To be honest, the ODP guidelines are pretty unfussy and common sense. I find that the guidelines at Zeal are much more strict.

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    Its too early for me to be irritated just yet but I can't resist.

    My site was "accidentally" dropped from DMOZ, probably because it was mistaken for being an affiliate site. I sell ebooks that I write. Completely merchant (In the proper category for such things). Since my products are the content then technically I have somewhere near nine hundred (probably a lot more) pages of pure, unadulterated content on the one site.

    In their zest to hunt down affiliates they are cutting sites that they do approve of.

    I will repeat that it is too early for me to be irritated but I couldn't resist.
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    In all fairness I better point out that I did not discover this until yesterday and did not point out their error until today...

    [in all fairness]

    [ 03-27-2002: Message edited by: Planetwide Exodus ]

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    They do list sites that are only affiliate sites. Ebates is a good example. They will list any site/company that they can sleep with. I am convinced there are some exchange of favors going on, if not an actual exchange of money for listings. Cant prove it, but it is my opinion. It just seems so f'ed up. All these f'ers are in bed with each other.

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    About 6 months ago, I submitted a CONTENT site with NO affiliate links to dmoz. Since then I have seen activity in the category which I submitted to, have resubmitted several times, yet it have never been accepted.

    A few weeks ago, I submitted the same site using the same title and description to Zeal which accepted my site within 2 days .

    I've got to agree with Big Chuck that there is an abuse of power going on at dmoz. I'm sure that many of the dmoz editors have good intentions, but there is no way that the ODP can watch the actions of each of it's thousands of editors.

    Dynamoo said:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>To be honest, the ODP guidelines are pretty unfussy and common sense. I find that the guidelines at Zeal are much more strict. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    I AGREE. The ODP's guidelines are much less strict than Zeal's. Unfortunately, IMO, loosely written guidelines often allow a submission to be subjected to the editor's opinion (rather than rules that actually improve the directory). From what I've seen, Zeal is MUCH more of a community than the ODP is. Zeal makes use of things like quizzes and user ratings as an incentive for people to learn and do QUALITY work in the directory.

    I guess when people don't have as many of these incentives, they begin to abuse their power and make incentives of their own.

    -Joey

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    Planetwide Exodus, Yesterday you said you had applied to be a dmoz editor, presumably for a book category. Now you are publicly ripping the editor in front of a worldwide audience.

    You can say you are being fair all you want, but this is uncalled for.

    The category you were talking about is a prime target for mlm schemes, crappy affiliate sites disguised as content, and other garbage. I think you should cut the editor some slack. If a big mistake was made and your site is truly up to the high standards of the directory, hopefully he/she will resolve it. But this is not helping you out except maybe to blow off some steam.


    By the way, if you become an editor, can you get my site listed? Thanks.

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    I agree with Big Chuck's first post in this thread.

    Although I would provide them with a 1-way ticket to Cuba. Let Castro provide the food stamps to his fellow anti-capitalists!

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    jimbo2002,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Planetwide Exodus, Yesterday you said you had applied to be a dmoz editor, presumably for a book category. Now you are publicly ripping the editor in front of a worldwide audience.
    You can say you are being fair all you want, but this is uncalled for
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I didn't consider that a public ripping. It was not disparaging in any way but a simple probe of policy. Considering the evidence available that was the beginning of a healthy debate. Since I've been at ABW I have made allegations against certain companies, asked for input from those who know more about it, investigated the truth, and then posted that truth. The truth, more often then not, was in opposition to the allegations I had made.

    By saying that it was too early to be irritated I was already giving that editor the benefit of the doubt. Of course there are a lot of sites that they are trying to get rid of that do not fall into the stated guidlines but I am a believer that innocent people should be given slack also.

    I treat everything as a democracy. It is my duty to question those who are keeping order. If I am accepted as an editor I will expect no less from those who I am trying to administrate.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By the way, if you become an editor, can you get my site listed? Thanks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    LOL


    The really funny part was I discovered this when I was about to integrate their results into my site.


    Oh, and as I wrote this I got the rejection email. I screwed up and added my own site as one of the three URL's. That was stupid but you live and learn.

    Time to investigate Inktomi.

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    I think the biggest problem ODP has is it's patchiness, some editors (and categories) are good, some are bad.

    Each (non-senior) editor can only concentrate on their own bits of the directory, so tend to do so and ignore everything else because it's too difficult to do.

    Zeal works better because Zealots can rove around, add easily to other cats and help edit them, take over editorship of cats and then drop them later without penalty, plus the communication at Zeal is great. On the downside it feeds into LookSmart (i.e. scumware involvement) and it doesn't generate as much traffic as ODP.

    However, I'd strongly recommend *anyone* who wants to promote a site through either ODP or Zeal to become an editor of a small corner of the directory - you'll learn a lot about what is "acceptable" and you'll also be able to keep track of your submissions better.

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