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    Can Anyone give me a run down of the best way to get ranked right now?

    I want to get my site into google, and top ranked, but I dont know where to start..

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    I recommend letting Google find you, not submitting. Make it easy for Google to find you by exchanging links with sites similar in topic to your own.

    Google ranks based on a number of factors. One of the most important is link popularity. This is basically the number of links to your site with a special emphasis on links from "important" other sites. The text in the link matters a great deal.

    Also, stop posting your URL to boards like this and asking about Google. Google is on a banning kick right now. They are actively searching boards like this (probably using Google as a search term). Lots of sites that have mentioned Google in any way on forums like this have ended up banned from Google. If you want to discuss Google, don't post your URL.

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    K, I will do that.

    Whats the best way to get links pointing to your site? Link exchanges?

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    Some content on your index page describing what you do with keyword rich text would definitely help instead of sending your potential customer directly to a sign up form. It will definitely help your ranking and will help what you're selling too.

    HTH

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    Thanks for that heather2002 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you want to discuss Google, don't post your URL<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I did not know that. Can anyone else verify this?

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    The first thing you want to do is get some decent meta tags on your site. The ones you have will not get you recognised by your own mother never mind the search engines. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
    You want for a minmum
    *META name="description" content="give a good description of your site"*
    *META name="keywords" content="put some keywords here that you want the search engines to pick you up with"* I've put * instead of < and > so it will show.

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    Googlebot does not browse forums picking out url's and blacklisting them just because they were posted in a forum.
    Googlebot just places very little to no relevance on linked websites posted in forums.
    Don't link to bad neighborhoods, get links from similar themed websites, and deliver accurate content so Googlebot will love your site. If you want to be deep crawled stay away from flash sites. Also get a dmoz listing.

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    Google don't read no Meta tags. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    But it's a good habit to have them all in order for the bots that do. LOL, I was concentrating on Google only for so long that I was amazed when one of my niche keywords was picked up really nicely by Inktomi and started getting hits from MSN. I checked the listing and at first thought it musta been from one of my ppc accounts, since I mentioned it was an affiliate site. Hahahaha, I checked my meta tags, and low and behold there was that darned description right there! It is habit that I add the keyword and description meta tags, so now I'm glad that I inculcated that habit like closing my table tags [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] .

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    <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon36.gif>

    Please [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    If that were the case then this post will do Haiko a lot of good.

    I like google because www.jimworld.com and www.geekvillage.com can be found there.

    [ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: Heyder ]

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    If everyone really wants to know how it is their sites are getting banned or removed this is probably the reason why.
    http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html

    I would imagine all a person has to do is claim that your site is a spam page. A good example would be a doorway page or something like that.

    post your url around the boards and you'll let your enemy know your url. Do you think for a minute that they don't want to remove you the competition? If you have even one little page located on your site that is considered to be a page specially optimized for search engines, google will remove every trace of your site and anything elese they believe to be yours.

    All a person has to know is your url and they can use a spider to crawl your entire site and find the naughty page and send it to google as a spam complaint.

    From Google

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>At minimum, we will use the data from each spam report to improve our site ranking and filtering algorithms. The result of this should be visible over time as the quality of our searches gets even better. In especially egregious cases, we will remove spammers from our index immediately, so they do not show up in search results at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Look at the list of reasons you can be banned for.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    Hidden text or links
    Misleading or repeated words
    Page does not match Google's description
    Cloaked page
    Deceptive redirects
    Doorway pages
    Duplicate site or pages
    Other (specify) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    [ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: Heyder ]

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    There *are* several techniques to get to the top, but there are no quick fixes.

    Link popularity is one way of getting to the top, some of which is link exchanges, but mostly is about getting listed and mentioned on other pages. This is hard work.

    Don't overdo the link exchanges though, because if done to excess Google can also count this as "cheating".

    IMHO the best way of getting link popularity is to get into the Open Directory, but that won't allow listings from affiliate link farms, or sites without much content or value. I suspect that you wouldn't get an ODP listing because there's not much more content that the signup page.. you need to flesh it out more and explain WHY you should by from an American merchant, and give examples. If you're newsletter is content-rich, then post back issues up.

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    anyways if you want the lowdown on google for what's known try these
    http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/page98pagerank.html

    and
    http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/brin98anatomy.html

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    Dynamoo just to satisfy my curiosity

    Do dmoz editors such as yourself have the ability to create new categories and does google follow suit when a new cat is created?

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    Yes, a DMOZ editor can create a subcategory, essentially as that editor sees fit.

    There are some guidelines about ontologies, category size etc etc which are all pretty dull.

    When the Google index and almost all other ODP-derived indices are updated, the new categories are created too. It's part of the integral structure of the RDF dump that DMOZ supply.

    Here's an interesting implication to do with the knock on effect to Google.. sites higher up the directory have a higher page rank than those lower down, typically PR changes by about 1 per level, but the lower down ones typically have less links which INCREASES your Google ranking. So it's quite possibly better to be listed in a lower down cat if there are less links to compete with.

    Just out of interest, I took a part of the directory I edit and drilled down to the bottom to see what the Page Ranks actually were.

    Level 9: 2
    Level 8: 3
    Level 7: 4
    Level 6: 5
    Level 5: 5
    Level 4: 7
    Level 3: 8
    Level 2: 8
    Level 1: 8
    Level 0: 9 (i.e. the top of the ODP)

    In some categories you *could* get a level 2,3 or 4 listing which gives you a really decent weight to the inbound link. Getting a link on a page with a Page Rank of 8 is pretty good going, and that'll be replicated elswhere too.

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    "If you're newsletter is content-rich, then post back issues up.~Dynamoo"

    That's also a great la-zee way to keep a c*ntent site updated. A weekly newletter provides 50-52 chances to update the site with c*ntent you had to think up anyway--as opposed to coming up with some for both the site and the newsletter! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] (The "50" is if you take a couple of weeks off and don't put out a newsletter those weeks.)

    Sure, your newsletter subscribers will be onto you, but all those people who come but don't subscribe will be none the wiser. And Google seems to like the updates to the site, too.

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    Learder has a great point. Create a simple weekly newsletter and keep at least the last 5 or 6 issues in an archive file.

    Then post a note on your home page. Click here to view the last 6 issues of our newsletter - try to talk about a specifi subject in each newsletter - and of curse have links to your pages that sell the stuff you were talking about.

    I have a GOLF newsletter - Basically provides the reader with a tip of the week to improve your game and info on what's new to buy with links of course.

    I'm re-doing the site to incorporate the archive and a couple of other features so it ranks higher in INK and GOOGLE.

    I am also going to do an investment newsletter in a similar format. Sales are good for this area and people have money, but it's a ***** to get a good spot due to you have to compete with real deep pocket players who pay for the listings.

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    When search engines refer to "cloaked" pages - just what does that mean? I was thinking about employing some techniques to prevent someone stealing and using my META tags; not to SPAM or deceive the engines but to prevent tag-jacking. Scripts that do this are called "cloaking scripts" - is that what they are talking about?

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    Hi Nuthin,

    I didn't say that the googlebot browses these forums and assigns a penalty for sites listed. I said that Google (ie: humans who work for Google) browse these forums and pay special attention to sites listed along with posts about how to get better ranking with Google.

    I have server log proof from several sites. The referrer is listed as jimworld.com, or even abestweb.com. The IP address belongs to Google (looked up at ARIN). The visitor was decidedly human, not the GoogleBot. The sites are now banned. AND! There appears to be no violation of Google's rules. They appear to be banned simply because the owner's posted information on how to rank higher in Google or asked for such information.

    Heyder is also right. You also risk having multiple folks doing a copy/paste of your url into the spam reporting box at Google. Multiple reports will also get you banned. It is not wise to chat about Google on these forums with your URL being public.

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    Okay, I'll bite, Heather. You are certainly right that Google employees keep a careful eye on forums like this and an even more careful eye on the three big search engine optimization forums and you are also right that they have penalised certain sites as a consequence of finding them through the forums.

    However, I find it a little hard to believe that they are pursuing the kind of policy you suggest.

    As for the spam box, I am sure that Google are all too aware of the potential for misuse this offers and can assure you that sites are not banned simply because they got x number of spam reports. I think you'll find that they get banned because they are spamming.

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    I just got back from a few days away to discover that my main site has vanished from Google again. I have NO IDEA why. I don't really believe it, but Heather's theory makes as much sense as anything else I can think of ... sigh ... where's a nice friendly brick wall I can bang my head against?

    Elisabeth

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    Markymark,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Okay, I'll bite, Heather. You are certainly right that Google employees keep a careful eye on forums like this and an even more careful eye on the three big search engine optimization forums and you are also right that they have penalised certain sites as a consequence of finding them through the forums. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    What Fudgers ... I invite them to help, and they ban sites that do? Now that is messed up!

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    Elisabeth,

    My apologies!

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    Heather,

    Jimwhat? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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    Header,

    What were those sites again [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    Haiko
    PS. Jim has many friends at google so I doubt, it will would affect him [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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    Well mine is gone as well after having a good ranking for over a year and I don't know why but for sure I haven't spammed anyone to my knowledge.But what the hey I won't let it get me down SEs are getting more fickle every year and I'll go another route.I have got a increase of traffic from MSN and AOL so that sure take up the slack.
    Anyway I've never got a great amount of traffic from the SEs anyway so I'll being buying more traffic from here on out.I'm not spending enough on traffic and promotion anyway.So Google gives and takes away but that the way it goes First your money then your clothes.

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    This update, was so so, I lost PR last update, but have it back this time around.

    My newest pages created are up, with good ranking, but all those older one's are never rarely showing up.

    Maybe google likes new pages versus old. I don't have a clue.

    Google like's keywords and that's all I know. No genius wisdom to give you all.

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    Sorry Heather I guess I mistook the information your were providing.

    I don't know if the theory is true or not but it's possible.

    I still say it's malacious acts by other webmasters.

    Markymark

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    I am sure that Google are all too aware of the potential for misuse this offers and can assure you that sites are not banned simply because they got x number of spam reports.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I agree that google would be aware of the potential misuse however according to their rules a lot of things can be considered for banning. There's a lot of room and gray area here. What may seem like a good idea with say altavista could get you banned at google and quick.

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    I sent a polite inquiry about one of my sites which had been completely dropped from their index, and now it's back again. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    Maybe they're having a problem, a bug or something that may cause some sites to be inexplicably dropped from their index.

    Just send a nice email to them at help@google.com and maybe it will be resolved for you as it was for me.

    I'm not a very religious type, but all I can say is THANK GOD! (and google) [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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