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    What is the overall opion here on entering SE URLs manually, as opposed to using something like bCentral's Submit it?

    Is the manual entry better?

    Thanks.

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    Manual entry is probably better if you want to be on the safe side... but you only really need to submit to the handful of top engines anyway?... and thereafter to specialist engines which won't be in submit it anyway.

    I read somewhere google likes you better if you don't submit to it at all... that true?

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    Ya' know I always just use Jim World to auto submit and it seems to work quite well. Haven't done much else in ages except to go and submit to all the Pagan search engines by hand and that takes most of an evening. I am glad Jim World cuts down on the time because after submiting to the Pagan engines I am sick of the chore.

    Sorry, Haiko. I think you have some issues with Jim World but I don't know what they are.

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    Ssanf,

    NP <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif>

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    Do products like "WebPosition Gold" work any magic that can't be done by hand?

    What does it do anyhow?

    -Pat

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    Hi
    I went round each major search engine and submitted my site by hand. I used market tools to find out which ones I was not listed on then visited each of them.

    It takes time but I like to keep track of where I am etc. I have not paid anyone for submissions yet.

    Just keep plugging away.

    regards John

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    I found no difference in submitting by hand or automatically. Concerning submitting softwares you must know that it does not depend on the type of software ( webposition gold or else ) but only on your metatags and content. I have about 250 websites to submit, and this can not be done by hand, and as I mentioned in another thread here I found a tiny little software called submitdummy ( no joke ). It submits to all major SE included Altavista. I know that this is hard to believe but it works and is true. If you want to try it they have a trial version.
    Jonny

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    I have never submitted to a search engine and yet the majority of my sites have good ranking on relevant key words. The trick here is content and a good host that gets indexed by searchengines every month automatically.

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    Three sites. submitted to SE's through JIM TOOLS (free submission). Did DMOZ, MSN, Intkomi manually.

    DMOZ has HUA and MSN, Inktomi wanted $$

    Doc

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Inktomi wanted $$
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Inktomi got my money, then they got some more, and more again.
    They'll keep on getting it too.
    Best bargain on the 'net as far as I'm concerned. Without even counting the AOL factor in.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Best bargain on the 'net as far as I'm concerned. Without even counting the AOL factor in.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yep. I agree.

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    When you submit to inktomi, you need to go through one of their resellers, correct?

    I submitted to ineedhits.com a while ago, but don't find my site, searched by URL, when entered at the inktomi site.

    What could be wrong?

    Thanks - Pat

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    1. Don't submit at all except to dmoz and yahoo. Most search engines dump submissions in the bit-bucket. The largest search engine assigns a minor penalty.

    2. Don't bother with webposition gold. For the auto-submission services of wpg, see #1. For the "optimizing" services of wpg, don't count on the results being any better than optimizing based on the urban legends your hear on every webmaster discussion forum.

    3. Don't use a keywords meta-tag. It is assigned a minor penalty by Google which is the largest search engine.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>3. Don't use a keywords meta-tag. It is assigned a minor penalty by Google which is the largest search engine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Could you please give some references for this claim?? Google is known to ignore the keywords metatag the vast majority of the time, but a penalty???? That one is new to me!

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    Hi Buckworks,

    It's a new one on me too. It's true though.

    I can't give a reference yet. It hasn't been released (I'm a beta-tester).

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    Is it google that states keywords are penalised... or someone else?

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    It isn't "keywords" that are penalized. It is the keywords meta-tag. It's existence on a page results in a minor ranking penalty on Google.

    It is me saying this as the result of being a beta-tester on a new product.

    Why would you trust Google? They cleverly provide you with an "Add Site" link and then only use that data to penalize your site. They don't survive to make you happy. They survive to make searchers happy. They are open about their desire to keep their algorithms secret.

    With that said... It is Google that says so. Not with a press release, but with their search results.

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    Heather2002, a couple of questions:

    1. What are you beta testing? You say a product but then you say Google. Is it a product that works with Google, or do you mean product in the softsense of the word?

    2. If I only submit to Yahoo and DMOZ, how and how long will it take for the other engines to find my site(s)? And, I assume that the pay-for-submission types like Lycos, are excluded from this "non-submission" practice..yes?

    Thanks in advance for your response.

    -Pat

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    Hi Pat,

    I am beta-testing a software product.

    I have no idea if other search engines actually pay attention to their free "submit site" page. I suspect not or that they also penalize pages added this way.

    They have spiders which will find your site by following links on other sites.

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    Well, I've got to say that it gives me the jitters to think about days/weeks/years spent building sites, and then just waiting for the spider to find you.

    Scary. No?

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    More urban webmaster legends: I always put a keyword and description meta tag on every page (except when I forget [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]). It's gotten me plenty of free traffic from MSN, since the Ink bot seems to actually use them.

    And if Google penalizes, the penalty is so small that it doesn't hurt my dozens of #1-5 positions in targetted keyword searches. Of course, I'm not playing in the high competition keyword phrases. For those, one would need every single advantage optimized.

    Please to take anything I say with a grain of cayenne pepper: I'm NOT a professional search engine optimizer as some others on this thread seem to be.

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    If -- emphasis on IF -- there is a penalty, I suspect it wouldn't be a penalty against the keywords tag in particular, but rather just the fact that coding clutter of any sort will water down your content.

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    Have to agree with you there Web

    I have Meta's on all my Google pages and it dosnt seem to affect me either.

    I'm NOT a professional search engine optimizer either ... But I play one on TV [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Dave

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    Seems like one of us need to get a job at Google for a while, and then report back on the secret recipe. But then again, maybe they brainwash you in the exit interview [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Makes you wonder how they manage to keep it a secret, though...hmmm

    -Pat

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    If you are going to try a submitting service try WorldSubmitter.Com for free, getting 50+uniques thanks to them. **When you sign up use a different e-mail because the spam you, got over 200 e-mails!! Watch Out for that!

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