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    Offline Advertiwsing.

    Here's some tips to help you in this part of the affiliate marketing game.

    Use the TWO STEP method to get people to your website. The object is not to sell anyting. The object is to get people to go to your website or call your 800# where you then sell them.

    Most publications have KEYWORD coded ads - i.e. a heading for that particular type of ad.

    1. Place classified ads in variety of publications. ONE is not a large enough sample.

    2. Make your ad INFORMATIONAL and use the following types of headlines:

    Learn How to Save 50% & More On (whatever you are selling). For FREE Details Visit
    (your URL) or CALL (your 800#.)

    Learn How To Get Your Own FREE Internet Business. For FREE Details Visit (your URL)

    FREE: Learn About (xyz). For FREE Details Visit (your URL)

    Attention Golfers: Learn How To Lower YOur Score By At least 10 Strokes. For
    FREE Details Visit (your URL)

    Now I am going to let you in on a huge trade secret as to why I was so hot about
    the VMC Satellite deal Lauren posted about.

    1. They have an 800# which tracks affiliates calls and phone sales and I know where
    to buy offline classified ads in thousands of publications at killer prices. I could
    care less about selling VMC Satellite Service online. One simple classifed ad and
    I go directly to the bank with out passing go.

    Learn How To Get FREE Satellite TV. CALL (800# With my code) Or Visit (my URl).

    Learn How To Get YOUR Own Satellite TV Business For FREE. Visit (my url).

    So come next week, these ads will be in publications with 2 million circulation
    for less than $400. 8 sales (breakeven) from 2 million is almost a certainty. But even better is how many affiliates I will get from the BIZ-OP ad. 100, 1,000, 10,000.

    2. My ROI will be astronomical. Sign up for FREE and $400 for advertising which pays for
    itslef from a minimum number of sales and gets 100 affiliates who do the same thing and
    I make $1,500 or so every month from a 1 shot ad.

    With a bit of testing to find the right deal, you can do this with any product or service. It beats PPC by light years.

    You can use almost all the Clickbank stuff to make money with this technique. eBay and Amazon are a piece of cake. I can't wait until my Overstock program kicks in in July.

    I have had enough of screwing around with CJ and BeStupid and Snare. It's back to the real
    world and REAL MONEY.

    You can do the same thing: Here's where to go buy classified ads for cheap.

    National Classifeds

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    Use your imagination - you can make serious money if you find an HONEST merchant with a hot product.

    Remeber to have outlinks on your pages and a banner exchange so you can leverage up your traffic.

    Note: If you want to do the same thing I am doing with VMC, here's the affiliate sign up link. If not that's okay too.

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    This is actually very interesting, Fred. I have thought about it before. But, I don't know if It would justify the cost for my site. (My Witch Shop) With advertising of this sort, you need to run the ad several times before people actually take action. They see it. Think about it and a couple of weeks later they are looking for the ad in the current paper.

    The best deal is to get an ad that sits around in a doctors office where people may look at them and actually take notes to keep their minds occupied.

    I sure like that small town special. They don't have many witch shops in small towns and that's where most of the "in the broom closet" Pagans are. But, you know, I bet they would reject my ad. They wouldn't publish anything "of the devil" like the URL to my site or listing of my products.

    On the other hand I should think about California and Texas where more of the readers are Pagan. But, I would have to compete with brick and mortar stores.

    hum......

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    Professor;
    imagine if you additional could do this online and offline......
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    Ssanf,
    Please pardon my 'Pagan Ingorance' [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] but aren't there places you could advertise your business for a small investment? I'm thinking specialty magazines (even small ones). Also some alternative magazines outside of the traditional small town newspaper. For example, if you were in this area, we have the Baltimore City Paper (I believe there are several 'City Paper' mags around the country). A friend of mine who is Pagan did quite well with an ad she was running. In her case, it was a singles ad, and she had that she was Pagan in her ad. She told me that many, many Pagans (or those that claimed to be) responded. On that note, I would imagine that a Pagan audience was at least looking at the paper. There are probably many smaller magazines that would welcome the ad, or at least not have a problem with it.
    Also, one thing to note to you and Fred. As you know, I tend to want to trade services frequently, and I guess I'm spoiled because of the results. I trade with several local 'small town' newspapers...I give them webhosting in exchange for an ad. They are happy not to have to pay for webhosting, and I get a decent ad every week/month in their paper. I also do this with radio stations. Radio stations are a little more involved, but all parties are happy all the way around. If I do not see decent results for an ad, I then have the choice to pull it. I make that clear up front. Usually however, results means getting 1 single client from the ad, I'm already turning a profit. It isn't that difficult. Granted, many of these are smaller hometown papers, but things like our internet access does very, very well.
    Just some food for thought for you....You would know much more than I about the Pagan market, but I would imagine that there is something out there for you.

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    "I have had enough of screwing around with CJ and BeStupid and Snare. It's back to the real world and REAL MONEY.~Fred"

    Gee, around these parts (MI) the comment "Welcome to the real world" is not associated with anything GOOD! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif> [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Seriously, I actually think VMC's "other" deal might be pretty good but that fact didn't make it into the other thread because I was defending against insults. I do prefer the $75 Right Now but the 800# tracking opens up possibilities.

    I will say that the 800# looks a lot more beautiful now that 1ST TIER sales have been addressed. And your method really doesn't sound like w*rk. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] So the proposal has also improved two ways already.

    That leaves the Big Question--which is the SAME QUESTION I ask of ALL non-CJ merchants: Do they pay...

    [Edited to add: That's a great Classified Ad link. My mother looked for a way to buy ads in lots of little papers--without contacting them all individually--for years!]

    Tom,

    I love that idea of trading hosting for advertising!!! My own local paper is busily pretending it's big-time and already has a site, but there are some other communities I know of that could be likely bets. I'm not going into web hosting as a business but I could certainly spare some MBs on my server and the 2 KBs of bandwidth one of these little papers would use. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    [added clarification]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm not going into web hosting as a business but I could certainly spare some MBs on my server and the 2 KBs of bandwidth one of these little papers would use.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Bingo!!! Won't cost you hardly anything (really nothing at all if you have unused space). They are happy to get a site up, and you get their eyeballs...even if they have a few thousand subscribers (even less), it can be very well worth it.

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    Brian's classified ad rates are killer. I used to use some other similar type service but I will be using National from now on.

    Does VMC pay? The word I got was it's every 2 weeks and on time too. But we will have to see for sure.

    The key to this type of classified ad deal is testing - basically this whole deal is right out of Claude Hopkins book. It's what
    made Don LePre rich and a host of others too.

    Heck, think about this - give a talk at the local Chamber of Commerce and simply pass out a flyer with your code on it so the members can become affiliates, get their sales flyers and begin adding them to statements and giving them to customers.

    I love this Satellite TV deal because there are millions of people who live in the country where cable is usually run by little companies and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to pass out flyers with your 800# and Id code on it. Plus The Dish Network is a known brand.

    Sell ONE deal per week and you make $2,600 per year. Get 100 people to sell ONE deal per week and you make $6,000 per month.

    Another way you can use the classified ads is to offer a FREE subscription to your weekly newsletter. Say you buy ads in 50,000
    circulation. 1% is 500. People love FREE.
    So let's say you just get 100 to subscribe.
    Well you send them emails with a link to your
    Satellite page and whatever else you want them to check out.

    Now check this out...it dosen't work often but if you can pull it off, you can clean up.

    Contact publishers and sign them up for FREE as affiliates and then have them run their flyer with their code in their magazine.

    The make the $50 and you make $15. If they have 20,000 circulation and they get 1/10 of 1% sales rate they will make 20 times $50 or $1,000. You make $300. They sell 1% and they make $10,000. And you make $3,000.

    and sales will go up everytime they run their flyer due to people will see it and the deal will really register.

    I am working on a publisher with 100,000 circulation - I just have to get my flyer to fax him what it looks like and I could be
    in their magazine by August.

    Go to your local bank and talk to the President. Sign them up as affiliates and them have them put their coded flyer in their bank statement. Bankers are mercenary to a fault they would probably go for it since it would be free to join and 1 cent per flyer. Or if they don't go for that - put the flyers in the Bank for customers to
    take if they want one.

    SanF

    Pagans are everywhere. Advertise in Pagan publications - FREE sub to your newsletter.
    How to buy candles at 50% off. Stuff like that. Make a page of Wiccan books using Amazon -

    Attention Wiccans: The Witches Shop has the latest best selling books on Wicca. Visit us at (your URL).

    Pagans: The Witches Shop has all the latest ritual implements. Visit us online and get a FREE subscription to our weekly newsletter.

    Jonny

    I have 100,000 emails being sent out tonight. We will see how it works.

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    Tom,

    We may have to do a deal with you...I will do the ad stuff and you can sell the calls.

    Do you have enough phone help to handle 100 sales per day.

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    Yup...PM me with what you have in mind. I've got the staff, but I'd rather have them handling hosting instead of selling satellite dishes (absolutely no offense intend to the program). Let me know what you have in mind and we'll go from there.

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    Well, there are really very few Pagan magazines, although there are a few. I think our situation is a bit different. We are hidden all over the place. A lot of us are afraid to be known and certainly aren't going to have the local people in the post office see us getting obviously Pagan magazines or take the chance of having anyone else see them being put into our mail boxes. Some places it would be worse than porn.

    The only way to reach "in the broom closet" folks would be to go untargeted and hope they see the ad and respond.

    Most of us live dual lives. One at home and with friends. The other for the general public. Hey, I work in the public school system in the bible belt. You can bet I keep my pentacle tucked in while my co-workers self righteously sports their crosses just so we know how upstanding and favored by their deity they are. It really ticks me off. But, the reality is that if I didn't, those stalwart folks just might start seeing my job performance taking a decline.

    BTW I spoke with another Pagan on Sunday and she told me the principle of the school where she works just went through the library and removed every book that had anything to do with witches in it. She fears she will lose her job if she says anything or reports it to anyone. They don't know they have a witch working there.

    Sorry to let my anger show. I am sure none of you folks are like that.

    So, advertising on the net is best. But, I think I could reach a lot of folks who are too intimidated to go to a witch shop or who have none available. The question is how. I think pennysavers might do it but in the short term the number of sales might not even return the investment. I do think they would keep coming back, however. National tabloids might do better but, ouch, the cost.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The key to this type of classified ad deal is testing - basically this whole deal is right out of Claude Hopkins book.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yup. Claude never talks about needing to seen an ad six times to respond. Give them a reminder: a coupon, a bookmark, something to cut out and save for time when they're in action mode. According to Claude, you only get one chance to catch their attention and call to action.

    edit: Oh, no, surely the world is coming to an end if we're starting to agree with Fred!

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    >>A lot of us are afraid to be known and certainly aren't going to have the local people in the post office see us getting obviously Pagan magazines or take the chance of having anyone else see them being put into our mail boxes. Some places it would be worse than porn.<<

    Reading this makes me so, so glad to be living in Los Angeles! I'm not pagan (tho' I dabbled in it a bit as a teen), but I am definitely someone who would be considered a "weirdo" and reviled in other parts of the country.

    I must say that the pagan community really is alive and well on the net! They're all over Delphi forums (I have a forum there) where they can be anonymous and still have the chance to express themselves fully.

    It really upsets me when I hear how limited freedom of speech and belief really is in the U.S. It's in the constitution but not necessarily in daily life. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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    "It really upsets me when I hear how limited freedom of speech and belief really is in the U.S. It's in the constitution but not necessarily in daily life".
    Your President is doing the same things as a lot of Governments did in Europe: They restricted all individual expressions of life and put them under punishment. So people keep heads down and get hypocrites and of course those people who are self-righteous come up. Does nobody in the US remember MCCarthy in these day?
    Jonny

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    Ssanf,
    Hope I'm not driving you insane with all of these suggestions [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] I now understand the situation. I guess I'm used to seeing pagans in this area, so it never seemed too out of place. OTH, there are many places (like where you are) where the situation is different. Thanks for the clarification

    BTW, if there is a market for a magazine that is 'unassuming' or a way for you to sell products anonymously for the buyer..that may be something to explore as well. Think of the adult companies that send out stuff that doesn't look out of place. Heck, that box UPS was delivering to your neighbor could have sexual toys in it....I'd never know it...just a thought [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
    (and it's ok to let your anger show, as long as it doesn't get you fired from work...I'm sure ABW members have no problem with the occasional vent)

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Oh, no, surely the world is coming to an end if we're starting to agree with Fred!
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    LOL...Sometimes Fred has kick-ass ideas...I've always said that if he put that evil to good use...he'd go places [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    "Does nobody in the US remember MCCarthy in these day?"

    Somebody's got to remember, but for people like me he falls into that "dead zone" in history:

    Too new to have hit the history books when I was in school, but too old for anybody to be talking much about it anymore (beyond a few basic facts).

    Information on things which fall into this "dead zone" (which runs for about 40-50 years) has to be hounded out intentionally which is something usually done only by those who have developed a particular interest in the subject.

    (Note: This is not some government-imposed silent period...it just happens. Perhaps after being exposed to thousands of hours of media coverage during the period, our parents aren't too excited to talk about it yet again!)

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I must say that the pagan community really is alive and well on the net! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yes, we use the net heavily. For a lot of us, it is the ONLY way to talk with other pagans. It is the ONLY place we can go and not be preached to or have people act as if we are crazy.

    This is one reasons gatherings are so important to us. We get together with other Pagans and go to a place where our kids can openly say "My witch mommy is meaner than your witch mommy!" and feel normal.

    I am going to a 4 day gathering next weekend. My grandaughter is leaving the last three days of movies and partying in school in NY unattended and comming all the way to KY to attend Litha I'm going to get her this weekend so she will be here for the celebration.

    I think about 80 families will be there.

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    Leader,
    you should get aquainted with McCarthy because it is your todays history, it is your present history. It's leading to a one-way-street and noone but the people can come out of it again. But that's another thread let's stop it. Ok?.
    Jonny

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    To digress from offline advertising to the politics of Free Speech and our Constitution.

    Bascially, every Evangelical and most every other Christian is a Fascist. The only difference being the Nazi's lynch pin was supremacy based on racial purity while the modern version is based on Biblical purity.

    Same symbol too - a cross.

    But most Christians are bloody ignorant of history, politics and such they simply do not have a clue.

    What's even more amazing is that the writers of the Constitution understood that the only way to separate religion from politics was by rule of law.

    Now back to the topic.

    Claude didn't know about the 6 or more impression thing as those studies were done after he died.

    "Oh, no, surely the world is coming to an end if we're starting to agree with Fred!"

    LOL - "The fool on the hill with his head in the clouds sees the world spinning 'round."

    And simply calls them as he sees them.

    Yo Haiko buddie - if VMC is multi-level, then
    so is CJ. The word 'Multi' means more than ONE.

    I suggest you go look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary and then look in the mirror.

    And it's not personal - you are a stand up guy. But, you are here to make money just like everyone else and as honest and straight up as you are, that's still your reason d'etre. So let's cut the crap about
    which business model works best because there is NO ONE model that works best.

    You don't like multi-level because it takes away from your personal money making efforts.

    One other thing, the longer you keep trying to play both ends against the middle with regard to CJ and Snare and BeScrewed, the flatter you are going to get squashed when the you know what hits the fan whenever that happens. And it will.

    Either pick a side or get your True Track up and kick some butt, You are insulting everyones the intelligence with this kissing the asses of the big three adnets in hopes that they will change their stripes.

    If the big 3 wanted to change they could have done so in less than 7 days. They are not in the game to make money as a business, they are in it to make money from Wall Street.

    I can easily understand your censoring stuff, but censoring business ideas and potential opportunities just because you or anyone else dosen't like them is counter productive. Simply post your opinion with
    your reasons you like or do not like something just like we all do. And then let people choose.

    In fact I will give an idea for FREE for ABW and you can make all the money you want with it and you won't have to deal with 'spam' links, or mlm or all the rest of the BS.

    Go look at this idea and then make one for ABW -
    www.freeadboard.com

    Charge $10 for ad posting privleges - one ad per week per verified email address. Ads stay up for 5 days. Pay $5 to affiliates for selling posting privileges.

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    Uh....Fred, luv, please rethink and edit your post.

    I did not want to really bash any religion regardless of my own opinions. And, come on, this is Haiko's board. He is picking up the tab for the hours of fun, and knowledge we get here. You may not agree but sometimes, we just have to suck it up. Don't insult the host in his own home, OK?

    Please, just reread it and do a little fine tuning as a favor to me, OK?

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    Fred,

    I see that we got one of your insightful posts full of information and education. That post I appreciate but I see once again that we will have to sort thru countless posts and diatribes again until we come across another gem.

    For someone with so much knowledge and information to impart, it is a shame that posts like your previous post totally negate your credibility.

    That is indeed sad.

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    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I guess the world isn't coming to an end so quickly... [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] :rolleyes:

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    1. Christianity is both a culture and a religion...I am not bashing the religion part. Believe all you want, but when you attempt to control the minds and hearts with my way is the only way or we'll kill you, well now it becomes a cultural thing tied directly to politics.

    Christians do not like to be called Nazi - but all the Nazi's were Christians. And unless we stare that fact right in the face we are bound to repeat the same things they did. Only this time it will be Muslims and Pagans who pay the price.

    2. And I am not insulting Haiko - Haiko is a class guy - but what I am doing is framing the situation and putting as many of the 'hidden agendas' as I can on the table.

    From there we can argue the pros and cons.

    And I understand what Haiko's trying to do with the adnetworks - I was a big supporter of CJ until they simply ignored every legitimate complaint I made and started stealing money from me - but now they have a real enemy (me) and I am going to slam dunk them anyway I can.

    There was a real good movie about choosing sides in a war called 'Friendly Persuasion' with Jimmy Stewart. You can't be neutral if you are in the field of battle or both sides will kill you.

    And you can all breathe easy - the world will not come to an end for another 3 billion years.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>but all the Nazi's were Christians.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No Christian theologian I know of would agree with that. Nazi beliefs were very different from the classical Christian creeds.

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    I know what Fred wants to say but he uses the word Nazis instead of Faschists. This makes the difference between culture and religion. Faschists need no religion but a christian culture, and on the other hand Nazis need no culture but a religion. I historically know a lot of katholic and protestant priests which prayed for the "Endsieg" and they well supported the Hitler regime. So we all are some little bit Faschist. Psychanalitics say:" Each one of us has a potential of Faschism." Even Fred or me. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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    Weird...people have thrown it in my face that Hitler worshiped the Norse Gods. So do I but I don't want to be Hitler.

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