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    I left a message yesterday concerning search engines and my frames pages. First of all, all the pages on my site are framed except the home page. My question was: If my pages are framed does that have an adverse effect on search engines finding my page. I was lucky enough to get a reply from MarkyMark. Thanks. However, I can't access some of the pages actual code because some of them are on an affiliates site. That means I can't have links directly from my index page to the page with the content and use a javascript to open that page in a frame. Anyone have an answer for my problem. Thanks.

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    You mean you framed another website? Hopefully not mine!!

    :confused: :confused:
    Could be illegal!


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    I framed in my affiliates web page with there permission. My problem is I don't know how to get search engines to locate that framed page on my site.

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    <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon18.gif> NOT TO CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT,BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW TO TURN OFF WHAT IS KNOWN AS A 'REFERER' ON XP PRO?

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    TL,
    you should first get aquainted with the board.
    JB:
    it perhaps works with the <frame src=""> tag, but do not forget to close all frame tags at the end.

    Jonny

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    On the frameset page you can include a <noframes> tag below your frameset tags.

    Within the <noframes> tag you can put a whole <body> ... set of tags for a "normal" page. The "normal" page is what the bot will see, and anyone on very old browsers that are not frames enabled.

    What you put there will not be able to be your affiliate's page, but you can put a link to that page, plus keyword rich text that feeds the spider about both your page and the affiliate page to which it links.

    The <noframes> tag will be ignored by frames enabled browsers.

    And don't forget to close all tags. </body> </frameset>

    Do not abuse this method. I think that FurnitureFind affiliates majorly spammed using this method and got their sites demoted in google majorly.

    One of the results of such a page is that when you view the cache at google, you will see the <noframes> page, but clicking on the link will take you to the framed page whose frameset the bot could not read.

    HTH.

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    That works, but search engines are beginning to ignore the noframes tag. What you need is a simple bit of javascript in the head section of your page that detects whether the frameset is needed, then displays it .

    Go to this page and all will be clear:
    http://www.searchmechanics.com/learn/srf/srf.htm

    This is the method I use, so much respect to me ol' mucker Alan Perkins for this technique (the link is his site, btw).

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    I was hoping you'd add your pearls of wisdom about this issue, Mark [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] .

    Very cool application of js. However, to get the bot to see the other source frames, one must rely on them reading the <noscript> tags (btw, using the & l t ; and & g t ; for those silly tags on the board, kill the spaces).

    So you're saying that the bots have no problem with a <noscript> tag, but a <noframes> tag is being ignored?

    And after the FurnitureFind horror, I'm not surprised that a flag would be tripped by anything other than the usual "you need a frames enabled browser to view this site" warning in the 'noframes' tag.

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    jb, your settings are such that you are not allowing PM acceptance.

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    Webmistress,

    Re the noframes / noscript thing - all I have is evidence of a few sites and Google. Maybe ignored is the wrong word, but I have had new clients with framed sites and a noframes tag containing the real content that still weren't ranking well.

    I changed to Alan's method (there were no extra inbound links, nothing else changed at all before the subsequent update) and the site ranking increased. The only conclusion is was able to draw from this is that noframes text is not considered important OR it is ignored.

    I've seen this on 3-4 sites. Not exactly conclusive, I know, but it seems to be true.

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    My answer was not shown properly so here it is again and a little bit modified:
    All the points mentioned here must be used
    frameset /frameset frames /noframe etc. but the important point is the
    frame src"" tag.
    It depends on that tag where the engines go or not. If there are a lot of links the spider found before he will follow an internal link though, but he will not follow an external link

    Jonny

    [ 06-23-2002: Message edited by: Jonny ]

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    Thanks Mark,
    Don't worry, I'm not a stickler for science in webmastering [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] . When I had control of all the pipettors, the solutions, the stir plates, the incubation ovens, the detection methods and the analysis methods, I used a pretty good semblance of the scientific method to explore molecular biology for fun and salary.

    But 3-4 sites of empirical findings by someone who makes a living at SEO is pretty good data for web data [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] .

    Like I said, that overwhelming spamming of FurnitureFind affiliates on almost every furniture keyword I could find last winter was accomplished with the noframes tags. They massively interlinked through the noframes tag also, see. So I'm not surprised that there is an SE bias to ignoring the content now.

    Pity, really, since it is a legitimate, HTML solution for those who want to have a framed site.

    JB, I'll write you in a bit.

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    jb,
    email to you bounced. To enable PM on this board, click on the "my profile" link up in the left. Then click on "view/edit profile" at the top of that page. There's a list of preferences, and one of them is whether to accept PM's or not. Click yes.

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