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    I did a search on "craps system" on yahoo and at number 4 and 5 comes up this casino site at http://www.leading-online-casinos.com/cc.html no where in the source or page is the key phrase "craps system". It this a case of palm greasing or page cloaking? I suspect they are cloaking? Maybe that's the answer....

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    Is it a sponsored result? I can't see it on Yahoo, the page seems to have no web presence at all.

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    could it be a parasite action on your PC?

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    I can't see it in Yahoo either. And it has a grey PR bar. Can't tell if they're cloaking without some indication of the Google snippet, but I would suggest that if they were ranking for 'craps system' not only were they cloaking but they also got themselves banned.

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    I just checked the link from my pc at work and it came up. Do a search on yahoo, key phrase "craps systems". The site is currently at number 5 and 6. Here is the listing info:

    5 . casino gambling craps system hedge hog Online Casino! Online ... - casino gambling craps system hedge hog. Says Mrs Trollope:--`I doubt if anything less than the evidence of the senses can enable ...

    www.casinosgamblingfreeslots.com/internet-casino-gambling/casino-gambling-craps-system-hedge-hog.html


    I looks like they bought a ranked listing and are redirecting it to there on-line page???/ Can the unfair competition be reported to google or yahoo and would they do anything about it?

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    Sorry, can't find it.

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    Me either. what Yahoo and what internet are you on? It does not even seem to exist in my world.

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    Ah, right, got it now. That is a Google result and they are simply redirecting using an external javascript. If you view the source of the page, you get rather excellent content like this:

    "In the Kursaal is the ball or concert-room, at either end of
    which is a gallery, supported by casino gambling craps system hedge hog pillars of composition marble. Her reasoning is
    to the effect that they bring scandal upon Germany; that they
    associate with online casino gambling."

    Top-notch and very valuable stuff, I'm sure you'll agree.

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    I can only see the site I am redirected to, not the "fake site". How do I stop the redirect, turn off javascript?

    So how do we fight back? I suppose an email to google or yahoo won't do any good....

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    I turned off java script and was able to see the site at http://www.casinosgamblingfreeslots....hedge-hog.html that Google sees.

    I copied and uploaded the page to my server so everyone can see this garbage. You can see the disabled Javascript at the top. Here is the real page:

    http://www.gambling-system-portal.com/fake.htm


    How do we fight back?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> How do we fight back? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I don't know. What are we trying to fight?

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    &lt;What are we fighting&gt;

    Cloaking.

    Or is cloaking acceptable? I sent a letter to google pointing out the site and asked them to remove it from their directory.

    I'll check in a few weeks and see how they respond. If no response, I will assume they don't care or don't have the resource to address the issue. If that's the case I may look into doing it myself to level the playing field.

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    If you just asked them to remove it, I doubt you will have any luck.

    You need to do a good job of explaining why they should manually remove it. In other words, using your own site show them how the world will be a better place if they list your site higher and remove the 'offending' site.

    This might be tough to do for a craps system site.

    If I were in charge of Google, I would institute a penalty much like they have in the NFL. When a team calls to have a play reviewed, it costs them a time-out.

    So in the search engine game, if a webmaster called for a review and it turned out that the tattling webmaster's site was no better for humankind, I would penalize them in the ranking.

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    So your criterion is a site must better human kind? Not that it fits the search criteria better than another site that tricks Google and its customers into clicking on an unrelated site.

    Anyhow, I am not complaining that I am at not the top of the list as I am not even in Google. But perhaps I am on their black list now...

    Judging from your response I suspect you may have used cloaking in the past. Perhaps it is often what needs to be done to get listed with a decent ranking in a competitive category if you want more than a plain text HTML site.

    I would think Google would like to know of sites that go out of their way to trick the bots and erode the quality of their search results.

    I am not on any high horse here... If they don't care, I don’t care. Then I would have no problem using some form of cloaking myself as it seems the ranking game is the survival of the fittest.

    I will report back in few weeks as to what Google does (I suspect nothing).

    I am sure most here have seen the link below, but if not, it’s a good story on using cloaking.

    http://www.akamarketing.com/search-e...echnology.html

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    Update

    I never received a response to my email but the cloaked site is now dead and does not show up on Google / Yahoo searches anymore.

    [This message was edited by Johnny Dancing on March 02, 2003 at 04:11 PM.]

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    Sometimes things happen that make me suspect someone at Google reads this forum...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sometimes things happen that make me suspect someone at Google reads this forum... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Maybe they should concentrate on updating the old data in their search engine rather than wasting time here.

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    I agree.

    If anyone at Google is reading this...

    READ THIS

    How can any seach engine possibly claim to be the best if they still cache data from CHRISTMAS when it is now MARCH?? Do you call that relevant?

    Google is an antique. Alltheweb and Gigablast make Google look like some red headed stepchild in the SE category. If they can update in a matter of hours, why can't the "internet's premier search engine"

    I hope you choke.

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