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    I was just going through my logs and found something quite interesting. This time last year, 80% of my traffic was from Google and most of the rest was from MSN & Yahoo. Cannot remember whether Yahoo used Google results then, but that is not really my point.

    Now, last week, my traffic was as follows:

    Top was Google
    MSN - 74% Google
    Yahoo - 65 % Google
    Altavista, AlltheWeb, Lycos & Ask Jeeves - lumped together - 10% Google.

    I am not claiming anything scientific here, just that there seems to be a much better representation by MSN. Maybe this has a lot to do with me targeting Inktomi in my optimization, but I am still quite surprised by this. It is good to know I dont have all my eggs in one basket. If Yahoo start using Ink listings as has been rumoured, it will mean Google is no longer top dog on my site.

    Now if Altavista could send me as much traffic as their bandwidth usage on my site stats might suggest (4 times the bandwidth of Google), Google would be a poor second to Altavista (BTW AlltheWeb uses twice as much bandwidth as Google on my sites). It is getting to the stage where I might consider not allowing AV & AllTheWebb spider into some of my sites. They have taken up to 400MB in one week. Out of this I only get a couple hundred visitors - not really a fair trade is it?

    I have three sites that were dropped from Google during the last upgrade. One has now been picked up by MSN (Ink Spider?) for free inclusion. I now get a couple hundred visits via MSN now for that site. It is really wierd looking down my refferers info in the stats to see 95% MSN referrals, 0% Google referrals and a splattering of Altavista, Excite, Hotbot, Mamma & AlltheWeb (plus a few other even more minor engines).

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    I think part of what you are seeing is the fact that Ink actually got their act together in terms of crawling, indexing and actually regularly republishing their database with new pages. They've added about 2.5 billion pages or something in the last eight months or so and are claiming to have 4 billion documents indexed now. So, I would expect that the Inktomi database has far more of your pages included than this time last year, which would account for the noticeable increase in traffic.

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    I totally agree that this is what has caused this turn-around. I think it is great that Google is losing its grip over my income.

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    Our website gety SE visitors in the same order:
    - most Google
    - MSN
    - Yahoo
    - all others

    I've noticed quite an increase of traffic from MSN in the last couple of months but did no special optimization for it.



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    Google has provided Yahoo! results for over a year, certainly.

    My top referrers so far this year:

    google.com - 36.39%
    google.co.uk - 14.83%
    all other national Googles - about 15%
    all Yahoo!s - around 12% (all Google results)
    all MSNs - around 6%
    AOL, Netscape - around 1% (i.e. Google)
    other syndicates of Google data - around 1%
    Ask Jeeves - 0.8%
    AltaVista.com - 0.5%
    Dogpile - 0.3%
    DMOZ - 0.3%
    Alltheweb - 0.2%
    Looksmart - 0.1%
    Hotbot - 0.1%
    Overture - 0.1%
    Everything else - 11.38% (ish)

    Total Google-derived traffic: 80.22% (that's all traffic, including non-search engine stuff).

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    As a comparison of Google.com vs MSN.com back to October last year:

    Oct - 39.91%/6.15%
    Nov - 36.68%/5.13%
    Dec - 37.11%/4.76%
    Jan - 38.75%/4.56%
    Feb - 37.17%/4.42%
    Mar - 35.06%/5.11%
    Apr - 36.67%/5.99%
    May - 36.05%/5.63%
    Jun - 35.68%/4.99%

    In other words, there's no big movement in share between either of these two for me. Hmm.

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    Well I currently have six sites that get more traffic from MSN than they do google, woohoo!

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    Just checked one of my best performing sites (with regards to earning).

    A year ago it was 80% Google traffic. This last month has been 60% MSN, 35% Google.

    I am very happy with this turn around. I do think it has a lot to do with starting to optimize more in the style of Inktomi about 6 months ago, instead of concentrating on Google.

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    Now for the Big Question:

    Are you getting as much traffic (not percentages, but actual visitors/raw numbers) as you did before?

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    Good question Leader and one I cannot answer. Yes I am getting more, but I have added more pages so not necessarily as many visitors per page as before.

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    Traffic is up across the board, but ofcourse I've added new pages, etc, so, there are all kinds of reasons for that, but, the referals from both engines are up.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have three sites that were dropped from Google during the last upgrade. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    perfectG:

    Can you tell me what is the cause for dropped?

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    My traffic and sales have been static for months, my google rankings are ok.. I just can't get anything new into google.
    Inktomi has been crawling and indexing new pages though, nobody uses it of course.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vrindavan:

    perfectG:

    Can you tell me what is the cause for dropped?

    http://8n.nu/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    If I knew that.....


    This is something a lot of webmasters have suffered this update. All three sites were relatively new and fully expect them back once Google brings in data which it for some reason removed.

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    Now, last week, my traffic was as follows:

    Top was Google
    MSN - 74% Google
    Yahoo - 65 % Google
    Altavista, AlltheWeb, Lycos & Ask Jeeves

    Mine was about the same for traffic search engine ranking :0).

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    ok, how's the Google traffic on your NEW SITES?
    Mine is zero, haven't had a completely new site indexed for months

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    Like you I have not had new sites indexed for months. Those that were indexed after March and got included in April, were dropped in May update.

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    Same here, newish sites are getting very little with one or two strange exception.

    And sites newly created in February or March got listed in April and then dropped in May. Frustratingly I got a client site listed in DMOZ back in February and it STILL isn't showing, but it's #1 or #2 for the target search term in Alltheweb and AltaVista &lt;sigh&gt;

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    Same bit, my newer sites only get a few hits from Google. If this keeps up I'm going to optimize the next ones specifically for Ink, since they seem to be a lot more interested in actually listing them!

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    Do you think google dropped sites recently because the Indexed sites are consider spam?

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    What appears to have happened to NEW sites is complex, but here goes..

    ..there was an algorithm change for the May update which, for some reason, necessitated the use of earlier data than the previous April index. That base data appears to be very similar to that used by the March index, i.e. it was from sites crawled in February.

    Most sites created in March and April simply vanished from the index, because as far as Google was concerned, they'd never been spidered because that data had been dumped. This is will so many sites from March appeared to roll back from whatever PageRank they had acquired to PR0 and vanished from the index.. basically, they didn't exist in Google's worldview/paradigm/weltanschauung.

    Now, the Freshbot has added some new pages and changed page descriptions, but this has just created an old index with some newer bits glued on.. i.e. a mess. New sites generally aren't listed. Many old, dead, sites are back in the index. Bizarrely, the sites using expired domains that were penalised back in March appear to have made a partial recovery.

    And the spam is still there alright. Have a close look at the search results for "viagra" and the site entitled "Buy cheap viagra online..." gets its high position purely through guestbook links. Search for "god" and you get the home of PHP nuke.

    Normally the Google update takes about a week to go from server to server, this one took a month, first being rolled out to just two of the datacenters and then sticking there.

    Also, the updates are getting later and later. Webmaster World has a Google Update History page. The update expected at the end of February took place on 6th March, then the one expected at the end of March took place on 11th April. I seem to recall "April's" update starting in the first week of May. Under the normal pattern, we would have expected a Google update two weeks ago, but haven't had one. In other words, what was predictable in the past, has turned into a mess.

    But.. the plot thickens. From what I can tell from all the noise at Webmaster World, this update was different because the underlying techniques to generate it have changed completely, as Google want to move away from the "monthly update" model to something that is constantly updated, so as to give it a competitive edge. Topical results are very different.. Google understands about things like SARS and Bugbear.B much more quickly and can offer meaningful results, rather than month old ones as it did before. But on the other hand, it stubbornly refuses to acknowledge new sites or new pages for the majority of the web. The rumour is that there may be one more "old style" update and then that will be it, no more big updates, just continual little ones. I sure hope that they fix it before they go with the new system.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But.. the plot thickens. From what I can tell from all the noise at Webmaster World, this update was different because the underlying techniques to generate it have changed completely, as Google want to move away from the "monthly update" model to something that is constantly updated, so as to give it a competitive edge. Topical results are very different.. Google understands about things like SARS and Bugbear.B much more quickly and can offer meaningful results, rather than month old ones as it did before. But on the other hand, it stubbornly refuses to acknowledge new sites or new pages for the majority of the web. The rumour is that there may be one more "old style" update and then that will be it, no more big updates, just continual little ones. I sure hope that they fix it before they go with the new system.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Google is trying to do what I have told everyone they were doing, and no one believes me! They are trying to place their Froogle, and other listings, with cpa earnings, before all of our websites/pages. 80% of search engine traffic. yep, they will definitely cash in on this. One day you can use Google to search for 'gift baskets', and the first fifty pages will be their pages promoting products they get commission for, instead of ours.

    Someone has already dropped a dime on 'em. I understand Froogle joined Snare not long ago, as an affiliate!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And the spam is still there alright <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah, but my spam's not there (aka my new sites)

    I spent $300 on inktomi listings yesterday, that's how desperate things are here.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>They are trying to place their Froogle, and other listings, with cpa earnings, before all of our websites/pages. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Chuck, Froogle is still in beta and will be for some time. It isn't even going to get on the front page of Google until they are completely happy with it. My understanding is that once it comes out of beta, there will be a link to it from Google's homepage in the same way that there is a link to the news section now. The guy who said all this is called Craig Neville-Manning and he is the main guy behind, um, Froogle; so I reckon he's in a position to know.

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