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    Looks like the dance is over.
    Freshbot has been spot again.

    Any one need to cry?

    Looks like a lot of affiliat sites are way down, can't see what the impact on traffic is, since most of the US is still asleap.
    Wake up guys, I wanna know

    Serps do look nice tho, clean.
    Missing a lot of please-buy-here-cheap-books-sell-sale-tickets-hotels.com like sites.

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    I'm very happy. Nice traffic jump. As-far-as-sites-like-this.com
    GoogleGuy said:
    "That's going to be a hard wake-up call for a lot of people. The people who urge to move to more blackhat(spammers) and throwaway domains are running in the wrong direction"

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    I have big doubts that GoogleGuy *knows* much, his statements are so vague my cat could do as well.

    OK, I'm not happy about the update.

    Sales are doing ok cos I got lots more pages in, but I lost my nice #1 home page rankings.

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    GG knows everything about PR...
    And I don't mean "Page Rank"
    His pronouncements are deliberately vague - imo

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    While I haven't done a thorough review yet, it looks like I'm down - way down in some some cases.

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    In the past I was reluctant to create keyword1-keyword2.com sites. I do have a few because The fact is that they did rank better.

    In a way I'm almost relieved that branding.com domains appear to have a better chance.

    I learned a long time ago to diversify so I will still create both types of domains going forward. In some cases the keyword1-keyword2.com still make a lot of sense like for people's names.

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    markymark? what's your take?

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    My take, is OUCH!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Any one need to cry? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It certainly is a strange update.

    While they seem to be claiming more 'relevant' results, I'm finding that unless you're super-super-specific in what you ask for you don't quite get what you'd think was relevant.

    This is more of a "H-mmmmm" update.

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    I'm a happy camper after this update. Of 100 or so new pages over half have good keywords in top 10. Older pages are generally ranking higher. PR is up on most pages and traffic is soaring into the holiday season.

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    I think I'm pretty happy with it

    A couple of exeptions, but I can see the logic in that.

    Glad my hat is right color.

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    I keep hearing from good sources that content sites with unique content are the wave of the future in SE optimization. You have to offer more than just stuff for sale, and a description of it or some ad spin.

    I know this statement will make a few ABWers blood curdle, but it comes from a very reliable source, and several things I was told months ago are now beginning to come true. The SEs are increasingly becoming clogged with datafeed-driven sites, and they all offer the same thing, more or less. This is making relevancy fall off.

    This is not the end of unusual updates for Google, too many things are happening in the SE world in the coming months, and Google is bound and determined to restore relevancy to its SERPs. They must in order to stay on top. And the fact is, sites without unique CONTENT will have an increasingly difficult time.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> markymark? what's your take?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Not a lot to be honest, Jim. I've had mixed results personally, but I'm going give it another couple of days before I take a serious look at what's been happening and why. Aside from my own clients, I have a list of 500 or so URLs that I monitor every time there's a major update. It's gonna take a while to go through them all and figure out why some sites have moved (up or down) and others haven't.

    There's some odd results in the real estate category though that may be a clue to what Google are looking for at the moment. But right now, I'm not getting involved in speculation. I will say that most of the stuff written on WmW in the public forums (I'm not a member of the supporters forum) is clearly rubbish and doesn't stand up to the most cursory scrutiny.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I will say that most of the stuff written on WmW in the public forums (I'm not a member of the supporters forum) is clearly rubbish <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That is the understatement of the year. I used to think I missed the monthly dance threads.

    GG probably hangs out more in the suporters forum. The heavy moderation in the public forum is a bore.

    Andy -
    You make some great points. People who do used datafeeds better find uniques ways to use them.

    One of my sites is a discount-keyword.com/state-keyword/city-keyword hotels site that is still getting the same amount of traffic.

    I was buried in the serps before the update though so I can't judge how I did. I usually get 3-4 keyword searches.

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    Well, I hope GG is wrong. I use mostly keyword1-keyword2.com domains. As of now, I can't see any difference in my old sites, and my newest ones are getting Google traffic.

    I don't get why this discrimination against sale sites. My keyword1-keyword2.com sites offer exactly what they advertise. I don't mislead anyone. If someone visits because they are looking to buy that item, why sould they navigate through a sea of content just to purchase the item they were looking for?

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    I'm not convinced it's settled. www2 and www3 are still showing strange results. I know that's normal but I think there may be some 'swapping' in the next few days....

    (Not that I'm not happy with where it is )

    Could be wrong (usually am) we'll see

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    This positively stinks! 2 new sites, and 1 site 8 months old that was listed just at the time of Dom/Esmerelda have disappeared. I have just about given up on how to optimize for google. Thanks to MSN its basically my only chance at making a buck. Now I guess I have to worry what MSN is going to do. I am ready to throw in the towel.
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    I've long given up trying to track particular keyphrases in the SERPs. Once there's more than a certain amount of pages trying to track them becomes an exercise in frustration!

    So, I look to my CJ Stats to tell me what's ranking and what isn't. And according to my Stats the last few days, this was a fine update.

    As for what Andy said, I think his source is dreaming just like all the other c*ntent lovers who've claimed the same thing--for at least 3 years running.

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    It was a mighty fine update as far as I am concerned.

    One disappointment though - for one keyword phrase I have been after them about, they appeared to fix it (remove all the persistent porno-popup sites and other spam), but on Monday it reverted back to all the same old spammy sites. But that would have just been the icing on the cake if they had fixed that.

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    Has anybody else noticed a geographical aspect of this update?

    Most of my sites are hosted in the UK on a dedicated server - and have all plumetted down the SE listing. One site, however, was built in around 15 minutes and consists basically of a framed merchants site (with permission) and only has it's keywords in the title (not even at the beginning of the title). That site has moved from a rubbish ranking to number 5 on a reasonably competitive term. The difference? It's hosted in the US.

    I'd be interested to know if anyone else is seeing this or if this a complete coincidence.

    BTW Just in case - any good hosting recommendations in the US?

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    No coincidence as Google's spam team has seen the majority of foreign hosted sites are involved in SE spamming. They sure don't out number the USA hosted sites spamming the SE listings but the percentage is higher. Next comes the cleaning up of the "incenters", as their group makes up a huge monmopoly of the keyword listings burying relevent merchants and content sites.

    I'm after Google's Adwords staff to honor their Adsense account exclusion list. I put an Adsense code at www.ecomcity.com/home.htm and no matter how I try disguising the "coupon" word in the first paragraph it generates Adwords couponer Ads.

    Nice test for seeing the real impact of point of sale hijacking, unduly scewing conversion stats in favor of the BHO's and incenters, would be for Google to filter the keyword term coupon from their listings. It would save them from being sued as enablers for copywrite and trademark SE violations and keep their SE from being a FREEBEE yellow pages coupon directory for the spammers.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'd be interested to know if anyone else is seeing this or if this a complete coincidence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Complete Coincidence.
    My sites are hosted in the US and have been hammered.

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    Most of my sites are hosted in the UK on a dedicated server - and have all plumetted down the SE listing.

    Mine are all in the UK and they are doing absolutely fine. In fact, traffic has gone up in the last week. Better, actually, now some US spammers have been bounced.

    No coincidence as Google's spam team has seen the majority of foreign hosted sites are involved in SE spamming.

    Pardon? And there was your President telling us Brits that we were the US' greatest ally.

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    On one keyword, I am #1 out of 3,700,000 , and on others, I am completely gone. Heh, many of the money making keywords have avoided my grasp, alas. More work for me!

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by EcomCity.com:
    No coincidence as Google's spam team has seen the majority of foreign hosted sites are involved in SE spamming. They sure don't out number the USA hosted sites spamming the SE listings but the percentage is higher.[/QUOTE

    Interesting. Completely inaccurate, of course...

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