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    I am posting the entire Drugereport.com post as it's a headline and the link will change.

    Google's Gmail Raises Privacy Concern
    Fri Apr 02 2004 00:33:23 ET

    Privacy advocates are concerned that there's one big flaw with Google Inc.'s free e-mail service: The company plans to read the messages.

    LA TIMES reporting on Friday: The Internet search firm insists that it needs to know what's in the e-mails that pass through its system -- so that they can be sprinkled with advertisements Google thinks are relevant. After all, revenue from those targeted ads will pay for the Gmail service, which began a limited test Thursday, offering up to 500 times as much e-mail storage as competing Web e-mail programs from Yahoo Inc. and Microsoft Corp.

    The TIMES adds: The electronic letters won't be read by Google employees; computers will handle that chore. Nonetheless, the spector of seeing an ad for an antacid beside a message from a friend complaining about stomach pain is enough to make some people nervous about the e-mail service.

    "There will undoubtedly be some folks that will see this and freak out," said Ray Everett-Church, chief privacy officer for TurnTide Inc., an anti-spam company in Conshohocken, Pa. The aggressive advertising strategy may put a damper on Google's biggest move yet away from its core business of Internet search. After reading the privacy policy on the Gmail website Thursday, consumer-rights groups began sending complaints to the privately held Mountain View, Calif., company and preparing to warn users to stay away.

    "The privacy implications of going through and perusing a customer's e-mail to display targeted advertising could be the Achilles' heel for Google's services," said Jordana Beebe, the communications director for the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse, an consumer group in San Diego.

    The consternation caught Larry Page, Google's co-founder and president of products, off guard.

    "I'm very surprised that there are these kinds of questions," he said Thursday.



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    Can anyone say "Carnivore"? I thought you could.

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    I always just think, evil people always have more time on their hands. Just because I can't figure out how to abuse the system, doesn't mean someone else can't.

    I thought of one scenario. Since I believe google will segment these ads for advertisers (from the recent emails), this would mean a company could search for some private information "their company's president name" +"drinking problem" or other issue, then they would be able to tell if people were discussing the issue or not. They could do this by buying ads for that keyword combination.

    This is actually relevant, I run a mail server, I do not see or peek into the messages. But I knew when the game company blizzard was up to something, because I saw a surge in traffic from blizzard.com, this happens often enough that for someone playing the market etc, they could fish for a feel of private conversations. Not individually, but aggregately.

    And don't forget the other problem for google, they don't display their ads on pages with porn, which will make 75% of the page shows, show house ads unless they amend this rule.

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    Contextual advertising is a buzz word coined by BHOs and their IAB/DMA masters. Secret sauce is spyware data mining operations with the payoff being higher fees imposed on advertisers via smoke and mirrors spin. No wank with a advertising mindset gives a ratts ass about the consumer or his privacy.

    Rack up another victory for the consumer as even the purest Google gets corrupted by the Ad industry demanding privacy violations at every turn to increase the gorrilla Ad campaigns. The consumers will revolt on snoop mail as all the other freemail services bury BHO and more spyware into their mail programs regardless of Googles counter moves.

    You cannot have contextual advertising without having the corruption of the cyber criminals who built the models and developed the apps to bypass "user choice". "User Choice" is only a legal copout. No BHO operator ever planned nor want "user choice" to actually be a straitforward option or they'd get few takers.
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    In 29 pages of the silliest thread I read at Webmasterworld, half the discussion is whether the announcement was an April Fools Day joke and half was about the snoop factor.

    But there was one post with a practical use for the 1 gig of email storage:

    "Me= I am emailing myself backups of my website... I think I just solved my remote location storage problem. "

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    I advertise with Adwords and just got this from Google;

    Content network expands to email-

    The Google Network already includes such sites as USATODAY.com and over 50% of the Media Metrix Top 100 that show advertising—sites that reach over 80% of U.S. Internet users. And now, we're adding more ways for you to reach prospects interested in your products or services: email and newsletter ad placements.

    Just as when your ads are shown alongside Google search results, your contextually-targeted ads will now show alongside approved newsletter and email content, such as iVillage newsletters and our new Gmail.

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    If google places ads in personal email, then it's spam, pure and simple to my mind.

    It's no different to the spam I already get, if I haven't opted in to recieve it, then I shouldn't.

    I get spam trying to get me to buy digital cable, if google places a digital cable ad on personal email, what's the difference, none that I can see.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeventiesMartin:
    If google places ads in personal email, then it's spam, pure and simple to my mind.

    It's no different to the spam I already get, if I haven't opted in to recieve it, then I shouldn't.

    I get spam trying to get me to buy digital cable, if google places a digital cable ad on personal email, what's the difference, none that I can see. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    I don't think they will qualify for spam. Like MSN/Hotmail, Yahoo and others, they will surround the mail with ads.

    The problem is they are reading the mail and the ads displayed will be targeted to the "PRIVATE CONTENT".

    That's the privacy breach.

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    Many of the FREEmail services are ad supported.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If google places ads in personal email, then it's spam, pure and simple to my mind. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    As best I can remember, every single FREE email service I use or have used has ALWAYS shown ads.
    banners on top and on the side, sometimes popups.
    I don't hear anyone *****ing about MSN. Minimum of two ads per email.
    Now, about the reading of the email ... even if only by computer that freaks me out a little, but I always believed that type of thing was going on in some level by some of these free email providers.
    I don't like them, but from free email it's the price I have to pay. Maybe now I'll see some ads for something other than classmates.com or companies trying to find me a date.
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    I think it is a good idea.

    Say you have a user who subscribes to Tiger Direct's newsletters. Now you can sell advertising space for users viewing those messages. It is great!

    But on the other hand, I suspect a lot more companies will be restricting bidding on their trademarks.

    And another thing, if someone gets spam email, then another person could bid to advertise above that, so it diminishes the value to the spammer. Brilliant! You could bid on 'viagra' and v1agra etc and get seen by anyone stupid enough to open those messages. In my opinion this would be more effective than that bird-brained idea to charge postage for sending bulk email.

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    MORE PRESS
    Consumer Watchdogs Tear Into Google's New E-Mail Service

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    so if i send an email to a buddy and talk about my new girlfriend who i think is "the bomb" will google put ads for bombs in the email just a reference lmao

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    "...I am emailing myself backups of my website..."

    An excellent idea - I'm there.

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    Free isn't really free and never has been. Yahoo and MSN have access to your email on their servers, they just do it quietly and sell their advertising "across the network" instead of making it sound like they are adding advertising to your mail.

    Yahoo/Geocities claims in their TOS that they own everything you post/mail/do on their servers, but people don't care because they are "getting something for nothing". This was a huge issue when the change in the TOS was made, but everyone shrugged it off and got back to business.

    Google is just telling everyone upfront that they are giving you a free service and that in exchange you will see targeted ads.

    So they are being honest and the existing companies are hiding and hoping no one peeks at their TOS and operating procedures in the meantime.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by loxly:
    So they are being honest and the existing companies are hiding and hoping no one peeks at their TOS and operating procedures in the meantime. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yes, it's much ado about not very much. Your ISP email isn't any more private either, not really - perhaps even less so. If it's a hit as the others see less frequent log-in's for their mail, they'll change their TOS and copy it, or just give up.

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    A postage stamp is starting to look better all the time.
    Comments are opinion unless otherwise noted. Remember, pillage first. Then burn. Half of all people in the world have IQs under 100. You best learn to trust ol' SSanf!

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