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    I have a site that was humming along with a few hundred visitors a day and a Google PR5.

    One day after a google update the site traffic hits the floor. So I go through the usual suspects. Outbound links, server down, competition rising and so on. My site now has a google PR6 and there is no traffic from google to be found.

    I finally found that someone I had exchanged links with was now running a “Super Porn” site instead of selling cute little teddy bears.

    Before you go off on a “I told you not to exchange links” tangent, please tell me what to do from here. Besides take down the link which I already did.

    1. Do you think this caused my traffic problems?
    2. If this is the problem can I get back into googles good graces?
    3. Has anyone seen this before and pulled their site back up?

    Thanks everyone.

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    One of my sites contains a directory of several hundred other sites. They were primarily cute little mom-and-pop type sites on Geocities or AOL so I didn't check them as often as I should. Then I had an email from a woman who was browsing my directory with her kids and clicked a couple of links that led to unsavory things. Seems whoever owned those URLs had turned to the dark side or sold out.

    I spent the next few days checking everything and nuking where necessary. Google never punished me for that misstep. It was over a year and a half ago so perhaps things have changed since.

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    I believe to the best of my knowledge the porn link has absolutely nothing to do with your problems.

    First of all google has plenty of porn sites listed. They are by no means banned or ranked poorly.

    Secondly I know that google does very little about who you link to. It's much more concerned about who you are linked from.

    Third I've heard over and over that google does not yet have the technological means to compare content of sites. They use a numeric pagerank system to determine the value of links but they do not have a way to actually know the content of those linked sites.

    I would go back and look at the basics such as what you mentioned like compeition. I would also look at the freshness of your pages. Google seems to like new things.

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    Chances are the original owner of the domain let it expire. Purveyors of Porn like to snap 'em up.

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    As for the porn link, it may have caused Google to filter the page/site out of the "safe search" results. I doubt that all that many people would really be using Safe Search, but ya never know...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It's much more concerned about who you are linked from.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    In this context, I disagree; Google knows you can't control who links to you so I think it is unlikely that they would penalize you based on where you're linked from. Otherwise the Competition could get anyone banned simply by linking to them from another banned site.

    The common advice is "don't link TO bad neighborhoods."

    A link from a "bad" site to you may not help you any, but I don't think there's an actual penalty for that. Otherwise it'd be too easy for people to nuke their competition with links from banned sites.

    Of course, Google cares a lot about what (if any) *good* links-in you have! But I doubt they'd make creaming your competition as easy as buying a banned site and then sticking a "directory of competing sites" on it.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heyder:
    Secondly I know that google does very little about who you link to. It's much more concerned about who you are linked from.
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    you got those confused. You link to a bad neighborhood site and you're toast when you get caught. You cannot control who links to you, but you control who you link. Otherwise, all one has to do is open a spammy site and link to his competitors.

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    No, I am not confused or wrong at all. Sid noticed a decline in traffic. I am dismissing the concerne about an outgoing link and stating that google is more concerned about what links go in than out in order to determine the value of a page which in turn dramatically affects the amount of traffic you will receive if other factors are done correctly.

    I think leader kind of had me but thought I wasn't clear about what I meant. Anyways to sum up the question asked I don't believe the porn link has any affect at all.

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    LOL. I love threads like this. Total confusion.

    Google is concerned with BOTH who links to you and who you link to. Heyder is right in that the value (PageRank and anchor text) of links into your site will help determine the ranking. Private Ryan and Leader are right about linking out to 'bad neighborhoods'.

    The cause of the drop in rankings of Sid's site could be a result of either. The link to the adult site may not be affecting anything. Just because it's a porn site doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad neighborhood. Bad neighborhoods are determined by link strategy not subject matter. I'd still get rid of the link though.

    I'd also freshen up the content a little and see if that makes a difference.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by markymark:
    LOL. I love threads like this. Total confusion.

    Google is concerned with BOTH who links to you and who you link to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.
    Up to a point they care who "links" to you. If you have a counter on 100 sites with the same anchor they are going to wonder and hurt you. The same if you have a one word ad on the bottom of dozens of PR8 sites. generally they can tell if you bought the link or not and if you make it too obvious they might crack down.

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    Sorry to break off subject but I have this really hot neighbor girl tanning in the sun across the street. How am I supposed to work under these conditions?

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    So how do we tell if we're linking to a "bad neighborhood"

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>How am I supposed to work under these conditions? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    easily. I'll keep her company with her so you can work. Let me know when she shows up again...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jackson992:
    So how do we tell if we're linking to a "bad neighborhood" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I think you are safe to use pagerank for this judgement.

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    what if the link page shows no PR that has our link on it?

    what if the site is new?

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