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  1. #1
    Newbie Ivan22222's Avatar
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    Who here is making a living from ClickBank affiliate programs ?

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    I used to make my living with Clickbank until the
    last month or two. Now it seems I can't get
    anywhere with them anymore. Something very
    strange is going on. On a positive note, in the
    last 2-3 years I have been with them, I have
    always received my payment from them with no
    problem.

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    There are many affiliates making more money with Clickbank than other Networks (like CJ-Be Free-Linkshare) that:

    * Treat Affiliates like "Disposable" Units
    * Change regulations without alerts
    * Diminishing Cookie-Duration making it almost impossible to generate any *serious* sales volume.
    * Delaying Payment without notifying.
    * Merchants who aggressively promote #800 numbers (you could be losing thousands from this obscene tactic)
    ... and a whole lotta more.

    As long as ClickBank keeps up with its' robust service, solid referral tracking system and awesome Marketing Plan, we're not seeing any potential for the time being, to swapping to other Networks as vendors.

    The exception here is Shareasale. If Shareasale pays on time and respects its' affiliate-force, all I can see is a Major Player intruding in the Affiliate Marketing Industry -- by leaps and bounds.

    Way to go SAS, we like you and your "tasty cookies"!

    Hope we'll meet soon... at the bank.

    <table border="1" width="47%">
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    <p align="center"><font size="2" face="Arial">Visualize yourself joining
    an <a href="http://www.fitnessworkoutprogram.com/assoc.htm">affiliate
    program
    </a> that pays you 40%/sale, tracks referrals for full 90 days,
    has an implausible conversion ratio of approx. ~2.6% plus gives you the
    exact methods you can use, to generate as much as 800 sales year by year.
    It's not unfeasible -- it's just how <font color="#FF0000">you</font> do
    it... We did it before launching our affiliate program - now tenths of
    Savvy Promoters start replicating our success.</font></td>
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    ABW Ambassador CrazyGuy's Avatar
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    Pap

    Welcome to ABW - I won't tell you what your nickname means here in Scotland [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Your post belies a vested interest in Clickbank, where ...

    There is no concept of merchants approving affiliates - and therefore typically no meaningful relationship between them.

    They've had their share of suddenly changing rules.

    Cookie ownership and tracking are now subject to a set of rules that no-one seems to understand.

    Merchants routinely offer alternative payment methods (notably paypal) that are not tracked or paid by ClickBank.

    ClickBank occupies a niche for digital products, but only that.

    ... and I speak as a ClickBank merchant and affiliate.

    They DO pay on time which is no small thing [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Are you Crazy?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Welcome to ABW - I won't tell you what your nickname means here in Scotland.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Spill the beans, you've got me interested in knowing.

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    Yo CG,

    I'm the no "nonsense" version of 'Pap'.

    I don't think that approving affiliates would make our associate programs better, except suck up our time.

    I'd rather get e-mails notifying that "You have a CC/Check $XX Sale".

    I appreciate the marketing efforts made by *any* ethical affiliate and ClickBank has strict rules on this issue.

    You are right about the fact that ClickBank changed rules without notifying. That's deplorable.

    Personally, my sales have not decreased by their recent manipulation, when it comes to crediting the affiliate who "sets the cookie first".

    It's something like "First come - first serve".

    > About Merchants offering other payment solutions, again, you're absolutely right.

    My common sense on this matter? Just dump them (vendors who take advantage of your efforts) -- just do it. I do not offer even details on Money Order payments (except if the customer insists, but that's a very rare case).

    Yes, ClickBank endorses a 'niche' market, but that's where the money is. You probably know that.

    <table border="1" width="47%">
    <tr>
    <td width="100%">
    <p align="center"><font size="2" face="Arial">Visualize yourself joining
    an <a href="http://www.fitnessworkoutprogram.com/assoc.htm">affiliate
    program
    </a> that pays you 40%/sale, tracks referrals for full 90 days,
    has an implausible conversion ratio of approx. ~2.6% plus gives you the
    exact methods you can use, to generate as much as 800 sales year by year.
    It's not unfeasible -- it's just how <font color="#FF0000">you</font> do
    it... We did it before launching our affiliate program - now tenths of
    Savvy Promoters start replicating our success.</font></td>
    </tr>
    </table>

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    Affiliate Manager Allen Nance's Avatar
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    "Personally, my sales have not decreased by their recent manipulation, when it comes to crediting the affiliate who "sets the cookie first".

    It's something like "First come - first serve"."

    At CJU this year, one of the off the table discussions from them is that they are working on the First Cookie issue also.

    This would sure stop the parasites from gettting their greedy hand on our cookies. I think I will give them a call today and see how that's progressing.

    Allen

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    Since I have posts higher up on this forum
    stating that my sales have been down, I thought
    I should post this as an update. Yesterday my
    sales were good and today is starting out to be
    a good day also, so maybe things are getting
    back to normal now.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Welcome to ABW - I won't tell you what your nickname means here in Scotland.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Spill the beans, you've got me interested in knowing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, I'll let this pic of "the Pap of Glencoe" explain it. You may have to tilt your head to the right to get it [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]



    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    Yes, ClickBank endorses a 'niche' market, but that's where the money is. You probably know that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    No I have to say I don't. In fact I made more money yesterday with dirtworld affiliate programs than I did in a year of ClickBank/internet marketing products.

    Don't get me wrong, I use ClickBank and it's ok - but you swung in here suggesting it was better than all the other affilaite networks, which is an overstatement. You seem to agree with my reservations about it, so I don't think there's any major argument here [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Are you Crazy?

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    I am still making money with ClickBank and have not seen a drop off.

    President, ClicksLink.com Affilite Program Directory

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    If I had a beef with them would be all the diversions many of the merchants use. Drive by downloads, pop up hell and sites that are full of other affiliate links are too common.
    If I need a niche product I may go use them more. I have started a bit of a different approach on my site to see if I can get conversions. I just wish they would keep better tabs on the programs that they actually offer.

    WW

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    Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he spends the day drinking beer in the boat.

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