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  1. #1
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    Does anyone know of a link cloaker that will not kill my commissions using the old hop links under the new system? Like the "good ol days"!!!

    I don't plan on switching to the new timestamp deal but a cloaker that uses javascript is supposedly "unqualified" for tracking with this new "improved" system.

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    Where did you hear that Javascript link cloakers
    won't work with the old hoplinks? Did your find
    this out from Clickbank themselves. It sure does
    get frustrating sometimes with Clickbank, wish
    they would let us know what does and does not
    work every time they make changes. It is getting
    where I don't know what to do with them anymore,
    don't know for sure if my links are tracking or
    not. They keep making changes for the sake of
    security, but their changes stop our links from
    working half of the time, and we don't know
    nothing from them and we lose out. I am really
    starting to think of redoing my site and going
    with programs where I know I will get credit for
    my sales. It is not this way with Clickbank
    anymore.

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    I just tried to find where I read that at so I could quote it exactly and give the source but couldn't find it. The best I can remember, it was on ClickBanks site or Kount.com's where they were announcing that on Sept 22 they had announced there new super duper, convoluted, jack with people plan (which they never announced it to me, I found out about it here at ABW). Since then they have updated that page and I didn't save the original.

    They had 4 "unqualified" leads examples listed on that page and one of them was redirect pages using javascript. I've emailed ClickBank for a recommendation for an affiliate cloaker that would be considered "qualified" and have not yet got a response to that particular question.

    I have several different ones and as of today, using the old hop links, some seem to work and some don't. I also have the older version of the CBBomb search script (which would not show proper credit for my affiliate id the other day but seems to today) but now whats happening is ClickBank is loading their marketplace frame inside of my search engine results frame. Should someone decide to hit the back button after looking at the product and look at some other product, they're doing it from ClickBanks marketplace and should they purchase something from that point on then ClickBank or the Merchant gets the credit for the sale. Instead of my affiliate id showing up, a 0 is put in it's place. Which is whats also happening with some affiliate cloaking software.

    Therefore, since I liked the old hop links so well and despise the new upgrade so bad, I will take my chances with naked links (since ClickBank is now saying, today anyway, that we have a choice) until I know for sure how to safely cloak my aff id.

    It looks like time is the only thing that will tell for sure. ClickBank themselves don't seem to know what is going to be qualified and whats not at this point. Since it seems to change on an every other day basis with no warning I'll stick with the tried and true even if it cost me some sales credits, provided ClickBank will let me.

    Upgrades, Micro Managing and Rubber Rules Suck!!! If it's simple and works too good, somebodys gonna complicate it up! K.I.S.S.!

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    Why not just use a CGI redirect script?

    Example: http://www.designerwiz.com/cgi-bin/wizto/wiz.cgi?ID=ABW
    (This would go to the ABW board. [not active])

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Why not just use a CGI redirect script?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I do use a cgi redirect script but the affiliate id still shows up in the address bar when landing on the merchants site.

    Appreciate the suggestion tho. I did get a reply back from ClickBank and they said they checked with folks there in the office and no one was familiar enough with cloakers to be able to recommend one that would track properly!!!

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    The problem with most cloakers is the use of frames ... which do get penalized (whether they say they do, or not).

    I found out the hard way. :P

    If someone has a cloaker that loads into a new/top window ... and still cloaks the URL, please post it.

    Regards,

    Mike "CB affiliate commissions WAY down" Merz

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    So this cloak thing is harder than expected.
    I found a free cloaking that seemed to fit the bill (cloaking my affiliate urls for free), but:

    1) it uses Javascript
    2) it uses frames (I guess: the address remains the one of the sending page)

    Here is an example of the code I put on a page to redirect to the product page

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> &lt;script>function cloakst1(){window.status="Ready";} zint=setInterval(cloakst1,10)</script>
    < !-- Do not move edit or remove the script above! It is here to ensure the browser status bar messages will be disabled as soon as possible. You can safely remove this comment if you want.-->
    < !-- Your METATAGS Go Here-->
    < !-- END METATAGS -->
    &lt;script>document.write(unescape("%3c%66%72%61%6d%65%73%65%74%20%62%6f%72%64%65%72%3d%30%20%66%72%61%6d%65%73%70%61%63%69%6e%67%3d%30%20%66%72%61%6d%65%62%6f%72%64%65%72%3d%30%20%72%6f%77%73%3d%2a%20%3e%3c%66%72%61%6d%65%20%6e%61%6d%65%3d%6d%61%69%6e%6f%6e%65%20%6d%61%72%67%69%6e%77%69%64%74%68%3d%30%20%6d%61%72%67%69%6e%68%65%69%67%68%74%3d%30%20%73%72%63%3d%68%74%74%70%3a%2f%2f%68%6f%70%2e%63%6c%69%63%6b%62%61%6e%6b%2e%6e%65%74%2f%3f%69%62%69%7a%6d%61%72%74%2f%64%6d%63%6f%72%70%3e%3c%2f%66%72%61%6d%65%73%65%74%3e%3c%6e%6f%66%72%61%6d%65%73%3e"))</script>
    < !-- Your BODY Info Goes Here-->

    < !-- END OF BODY INFO -->
    &lt;script>document.write(unescape("%3c%2f%6e%6f%66%72%61%6d%65%73%3e"))</script>
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Why Javascript doesn't work? And why frames get penalized?

    Looking forward to getting feedback on this. It's mandatory, in my opinion, to cloak the stuff. What do you think?

    Marco

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    Hey, Marco ..

    Your script length caused the page to scroll out ... you might have to delete, or break it.

    This metarefresh script is supposedly CB certified:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><html>
    <meta http-equiv=Refresh
    content="2; URL=http://hop.clickbank.net/?AFFI.VEND">
    &lt;script> top.location.replace('http://hop.clickbank.net/?AFFI.VEND');
    </script>
    </html><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    ... but it won't cloak, obviously.

    You could also hide the URL with a hide URL mouseover command:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><font color="#c000000">BUY NOW</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    ... but again, your affiliate URL will still load in the new window.

    301 redirects are another option, but it still won't cloak the URL.

    Regards,

    Mike "Hopefully, the visitor will be cookied at that point .." Merz

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    Oops!

    html>
    <meta http-equiv=Refresh
    content="2; URL=http://hop.clickbank.net/?AFFI.VEND">
    &lt;script> top.location.replace('http://hop.clickbank.net/?AFFI.VEND');
    </script>
    </html

    A HREF="http://hop.clickbank.net/?im4newbies/sasm1" target="new" onMouseOver=" window.status='Click to Buy!'; return true" onMouseOut="window.status=' '; return true"><font color="#c000000">BUY NOW</font></a

    If you use them, just remember to close the tags ..

    Regards,

    Mike "sorry bout that!" Merz

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    Hi Mike,
    thanks for the hints. I still want to cloak the url.
    I found several tools that do exactly that, but this one that I found for free seems to fit the bill... if Javascript is not a problem and if frames arent a problem.

    Here is the last part of the script (uncomplete when I cut & pasted)

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> < !-- END OF BODY INFO -->
    &lt;script>document.write(unescape("%3c%2f%6e%6f%66%72%61%6d%65%73%3e"))</script>
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It seems to work to me, but I didn't test it by buying a product on Clickbank.

    What do you think?
    Again, why Javascript gets penalized? And why frames? (probably this script doesn't use frames, tho).

    This forum is great, however. I just started getting my feet wet in the affiliate world, but it's something. My plan is to make a small living out of affiliate in one year.
    It seems farfetched, I know...

    Bestest,

    Marco

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    Before you spend a lot of time with any type of cloaking, check this link out: http://<a href="http://clickbank.com...nkFAQ.html</a>

    Notice numbers 9 and 11 specifically, also remember, when ClickBank says that "Cloaked hoplinks are legal" they are talking about making the text in the status bar read something other than the destination url address when a mouse pointer is placed over your link on your page. They are not talking about cloaking your affiliate id in the address bar of the landing page.

    Another thing to keep in mind is if you do find one that does "seem to" cloak the address line on the landing page, make sure your using ie 6 or later. I bought one that ClickBank said would work and it seemed to work great, except for the fact that I was using ie 5.5 and after emailing the author of the program was told that with ie6 it would break out and still show my affiliate id in the address bar of the landing page. So much for cloaking!

    For those reading this thread that don't understand the desire for such cloaking, in the past it was very easy for another affiliate to just backspace over your id and insert his own, hit reload and he got credit for your commission. This is why the big push for address line cloaking, under this new system, its not supposed to be as easy to do that as it used to be, altho I'm sure it can still be done if someone is determined enough. I assume this is what was behind hiding the vendor id, to make it a little harder on affiliates trying to do that.

    Between the spammers and the id overwriting, it really was time for ClickBank to do something about it, altho it did cause me a lot of trouble changing all my links. I just wish they would have given some notice first before they did it. They should also notify the vendors of the cloaking software that their products are now useless and not allow links to them, if they haven't already.

    When ClickBank checks the referrer log, that click had better be coming from a tracable webpage or redirect page or I bet you won't see any commissions. This is where the java script and email link filtering comes in I guess. Linking to a redirect page will work fine but you still won't get any address bar cloaking (with ie 6) that will get your commissions paid. If you do find one that will, I'd love to know about it.

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    I did some tests tonight (late hours seem the right time to do this stuff...).

    I chose a simple Clickbank infoproduct (Revenge of the Mininet by Michael Campbell) and searched for it with Google: all the links I found are cloaked or hidden in some way (no open Clickbank link). I don't know, but I guess those people know what to do.
    So my gut feeling is that cloaking with Clickbank works.

    I tested my free cloaker and scrambler and it seems to work. I got to the order page with my affiliate code in the bottom of page. I couldn't order for a credit card problem (strange, but it can be with hols, just a couple of days away...), but I guess it hasn't anything to do with cloaking.

    The free cloaker and scrambler I use is
    Affiliate Link Cloaker by Dave Robinson
    www.secretuncovered.com

    By the way, I'm using the cloaker for any type of affiliate link, not just Clickbank.

    Marco

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    Cloaker problem
    I tried the cloaker you recommended and it does redirect ok, but the clickbank cookie does not get set. Any idea why?

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    I tried some of our redirect products and all had the ClickBank cookie dropped into the browser with no problem.

    Free Link Masker Redirect: - shows aff id
    Info: http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=54646
    Example: http://www.designerwiz.com/cgi-bin/p...a.cgi?ID=24fun

    Free URL Click Stats: - shows aff id
    Info: http://www.designerwiz.com/perl-sale...lick-stats.htm
    Example Link: http://www.designerwiz.com/cgi-bin/c...a.cgi?ID=24fun

    The URL Clamp: - Real URL Stays 100% Hidden
    Info: http://www.designerwiz.com/software-...amp/index.html
    Example: http://pleasegoto.com/?r=7y
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