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    I only found a one or two posts from way back in archives regarding the association of TopMoxie and MyPoints and there seems to be very little being said about this program out on the Net, so I thought I'd make a new post.

    TopMoxie powers MyPoints Shopping Alert, a "reminder" to MyPoints members if they go to a site to make a purchase so they can get their reward points. From MyPoints website:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you are shopping at a MyPoints Shopping!® store, but forget to go through the MyPoints website, Point Alert! will pop up and remind you that you can earn Points for your shopping at that store — and then offers to take you directly to that store to ensure that you get your Points for your purchases.
    Also, if you visit an online store that does not award you Points, Point Alert! will suggest similar online stores where you can get Points — and then redirect you to that store. You decide what to do. And you can turn Point Alert! off and on.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    As you can see, not only may your visitors be directed away from the click you just sent to your merchant you also lists in MyPoints shopping directory, they may also steal the traffic and send them to a competitor's site. Either way, you've lost your affiliate sale.

    There are now over 200+ merchants in the MyPoints Shopping portal according to the MyPoints website. Here is a list of merchants:

    1BookStreet
    1800Contacts*
    A&E
    AKA Gourmet
    Alibris
    AllInk
    Almond Plaza
    Art Gazebo
    Ashford
    AutoAccessory
    Avon
    123 Posters
    1-800-Flowers
    AAA Fruitbaskets
    Alfy.com*
    All Books 4 Less
    All Wine Baskets
    AOL*
    Art Inside
    Audio Book ClubI
    Autoparts Giant
    Baby Age
    Baby Oultel
    Baby Songs
    Baby Universe
    Babystyle
    Back Be Nimble
    Bare Necessities
    Bargain.com*
    Barnes and Noble
    Bass Pro Shops
    Bath and Body
    Bayberry Gifts
    Beadroom
    Big Dogs
    Blair
    Blinds Galore
    Blue Nile
    BMG Music Service*
    Bluefly
    Bodega Chocolates
    Book Closeouts
    Bose.com
    Brylane Home
    Buy.com
    Buy and Hold
    Cambridge Soundworks
    Case Logic Direct
    CCB Paris
    Chadwick's
    Checks in the Mail*
    Chef's Catalog
    Chiasso
    Childcraft
    Chocolate Source
    Classic Closeouts
    CloudWalkers
    Collectibles Today
    Colorado Pen Direct
    Colorful Images
    Columbia House*
    Cooking.com
    Crayola
    Crossing Pointe
    Customatix
    Cutter and Buck
    Dan's Chocolates
    David's Cookies
    DayTimer
    Dell Small Business
    Dell for Home
    DERMAdoctor@
    Dick's Sproting Goods
    Discovery Online
    Disney Store
    DogToys
    Domestications
    Drugstore*
    Duncraft
    Dunham's Sport
    DVD Planet
    eBags
    eBooks
    Eddie Bauer
    Eddie Bauer Outlet
    Elisabeth
    eToys
    ExOffico
    Eziba
    Famous Footwear
    Fannie May
    Flaxart
    Florist.com
    Flowers USA
    FogDog
    FootSmart
    Fossil
    Twenieth Century
    FragranceNet
    Fox*
    Frame Place
    Franklin Covey*
    FTD*
    FreeBizMag*
    FrontGate
    GM Card*
    Gallery Collection
    GameStop
    GAP
    Gardener's Supply
    Gardens Alive
    GartSports
    Gevalia
    Gift Certificates
    Gift Wrap
    Giftbaskets
    GigaGolf
    Global Gallery
    Goldenmine
    Good Guys
    Got Fruit
    Gourment Giftmail
    Great Buy USA
    Greenfeet
    Greenmarketplace
    H&R Block
    Hallmark
    Hallmark Flowers*
    Hammacher Schlemmer
    Harry and David
    HearthSong
    Hickory Farms
    Hilo Hattie
    Home Marketplace
    Homevisions
    Hotwire*
    IBM
    Ice*
    Illuminations
    Iomega
    JC Penney
    JCPenney Pet Club*
    JCrew
    J.C.Whitney
    Jackson and Perkins
    Jewelry Web
    Jessica London
    Jiill
    Joann.com
    Johnston and Murphy
    Joseph A. Bank
    Journeys
    KB Toys
    Kenneth Cole
    Kitchen Etc
    La Parfumerie
    LandscapeUSA
    Leisure Plus*
    LetsTalk.com*
    Lillian Vernon
    Limoges Jewelry
    L.L.Bean
    Linens 'n Things
    Loralie
    Magazine Mall*
    Magellan's
    Mars Music
    Martha Stewart
    MC Sports
    Max Studio
    Merlite Jewelry
    Mikasa
    Mission Orchards
    Mothernature
    Motorbooks
    Motor Plus*
    Mrs. Field's Cookies
    MyPoints Free Biz Mag*
    MyPoints Newsstand*
    MypOint Software Outlet*
    National Geographic
    Netflix*
    New Bargains
    Newport News
    Nirvana Chocolates
    Nordstrom
    Northern Tool
    Office Depot
    Office Depot*
    Office Furniture
    Old Navy
    Omaha steaks*
    One Step Ahead
    Oriental Trading Company
    Oshkosh B'Gosh
    Oshman's
    Outdoor Decor
    Overton's
    Pacific Sunwear
    Palm
    Palm Beach REsort
    Partymart
    Paul Fredrick
    Payless ShoeSource
    Performance Bike
    Performance Products
    Personal Creations
    PetCo
    PETsMART
    Pfaelzer Brothers
    PlanPlus*
    Photo Alley
    Post It
    Poster Now
    Print Pal
    Publishers Pipeline
    Quadratec
    Rand McNally
    Reading Glasses
    RedEnvelope
    Red Wagons
    Reflect*
    REI
    Road Runner Sports
    Ross Simons
    Safety Zone
    Samsonite
    San Francisco Music Box Co
    SeaBear Smokehouse
    Sensational Beginnings
    Sephora*
    Service Master*
    Sharper Image
    Shoes.com
    Shop Intel
    Shat at Home TV
    Silhouettes
    Small Flower
    SmartBargains*
    Smarthome
    Snapfish*
    Snoopy Store
    Sony Music Direct
    Spawish
    Spencer Gifts
    Spiegel
    SportMart
    Sports Chalet
    Stacks and Stacks
    Stonewall Kitchen
    StressLess
    Sunglass Hut
    Teacher Created Materials
    Teamstore
    Textbookx
    The Company Store
    The Container Store
    The Golf Warehouse
    The Popcorn Factory
    The Sports Authority
    The Sportsman's Guide
    The Viatmin Shoppe
    Things Remembered
    Timberland
    Tiny Monkey
    Tom's of Maine
    Totally Fun Toys
    Tower Records
    Travel Center*
    Tupperware
    Ulta
    Uncommon Goods
    Vans
    Vermont Country Store
    Visaprint*
    VitaCost
    Walmart
    Watler Drake
    Wick's End
    Warrantybynet*
    Windsor Vineyards
    Wire-A-Cake
    Woolrich
    XOXO
    YakPak
    Yves Rocher
    Zappos
    Zirh
    Zones
    ZooBooks*

    * These merchants offer special, higher
    Point earning opportunities that
    are not based on per-dollar-spending
    and are not affiliated with other MyPoints
    shopping! promotions.

    I am not certain if the merchants with the * would show up on the Shopping Alert software. I would invite all merchants who are on this list to respond to this thread with an explanation as to their association with a program which is stealing earnings from their other affiliates. I all wonder about merchants paying to be in the MyPoints directory when at least some of the traffic being directed to them by MyPoints was obtained from an outside source (an affiliates website). This seems counterproductive to me. All responses from merchants are welcomed.

    I am also compiling a list of other websites who use TopMoxie to power the same type of alert program for their rewards programs, and I will be posting those in the near future with the merchants who participate.

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    I can't find the software on their site. Can someone point me in the right direction?

    Michael Coley
    Amazing-Bargains.com

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    Michael,

    I can't give you a direct URL because you have to be logged in at My Points to get there. But log in, go to Earn Points --> Try It Out --> Next Page. It's on the second page of the Try it out section. It's called Points Alert.

    Keep Your Hands Off My Cookies

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    Hi everyone,

    Bare Necessities began working with MyPoints, and EBates long before any of these new software applications began to proliferate.

    In general, we do not have a problem with a site using an incentive based strategy to encourage repeat shoppers.

    We do not want to see any of our partners using software that will directly or indirectly cause a consumer to make a purchase from them, as opposed to the partner that actually sent the consumer to our site.

    At a minimum, we expect our partners to implement the changes that have been detailed in the Linkshare proposal.

    We were told point blank that the TopMoxie product would not re-direct affiliate traffic, or write-over the affiliate code. We are evaluating whether or not the TopMoxie software application meets that minimum standard of compliance.

    I DO UNDERSTAND that there are other issues to be considered, specifically whether or not these applications also flash/wave/beep and then cause the consumer to click through to the owner of the distributed product.

    Please know that I am working to make the playing field fair and even for all our affiliates.

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    Thanks,
    Michael

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    Michael you can bet from the NY Times articles and others that TopMoxie has various version of their software in play. Seems like their programmer slipped and stated they are hijacking traffic to meet payroll and put money into user accounts. ( Nice spin on that line leeding readers to assume their CEO and investors aren't making the majority of the pilfered money).

    If your a member of Shop.org please tell other merchants there about the issues and meeting and get them to post here. Incidently your well aware TopMoxie monitizes all URL links to your site from SE listings to e-mails. Is the extra commission rate you pay to Ebates, Mypoints and Iwon, when added to the fact they push your loss leaders, really worth it to your ROI? What happens if they impload and do not pay out rewards and incentives to their user base? Remember CyberRebates -Flooz and about 100 other incent and surf to earn sites who left angry consumers in their wake when closing down.

    To see the effect of being totally parasite fee all we have to do is look at the TigerDirect stats. Conversion ratio 1 sale per 35 clicks in a very competitive category. OverStock, sitting on the fence, has creapt back up to 1 sale per 235 clicks on my traffic as all Dupers and parasites have a field day with their products..

    WebMaster Mike

    [This message was edited by EcomCity.com on October 10, 2002 at 12:02 PM.]

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    Hi Mike,

    Not only are we concerned about these types of applications affecting our affiliate partners, we are also VERY concerned about the use of these applications to monetize our other sales channel revenue.

    If someone does not add value to the sales process, it is very difficult to understand why it would make sense to pay them a commission/toll on any sale.

    At this point though, our number one concern is to make sure that any partner of ours adheres to the minimum standard proposed by Linkshare.

    We'll look at the other issues once this first step is accomplished.

    Thanks,
    Michael

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    2005 Linkshare Golden Link Award Winner  ecomcity's Avatar
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    Well Michael I'm still giving you the underwear exclusive on my sites and hope this Holiday sales season pushes nighties for some Christmas cheers.

    WebMaster Mike

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    Great Mike!

    Don't forget to sign up for our 365 day cookie promotion. Details are in our forum under the appropriate thread.

    Thanks,
    Michael

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