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    I'm fed up with merchant tracking which can't convert at all, I mean I'm sending you thousands of highly targeted clicks which can't be improved because there simply what the customers want, meaning direct traffic to specific products and services. I have like 10 merchants who I'v sent over 300 clicks already, if you can't convert into a sale in a 2 week period of highly targeted traffic I have to say there's something wrong. Period. based on my stats cj's stats just do not seem accurate. I hate complaining, but cj is getting worse.

    I'm fed up with merchants who think it's okay to modify special links, banners and products without letting there affiliates know. I mean today I have to update over 8 pages with a PR of 4 for just 1 merchant where they changed there creative links and other links. If merchants put a banner or special creative that doesn't have a expire date on it do me a favor and do not modify it or remove it. Do you understand? your affiliates will get thousands of dead links. Does anyone have any clue on how to prevent this from happening?? Tired of it! Tired of having to constantly every month update hundreds of links because of these frigging merchants who do not care about there affiliates. Sorry for being angry but I'm really tired of this. Especially when you spend quality time making creative pages and I spend the time to help you the merchant bring in thousands of dollars each month.

    I'm fed up with Merchants who deactivate affiliates. People it's not your epc that is effected by affiliates its your un-willingness to help your affiliates sell and it's also the parasites that drive down your EPC. So stop deactivating honest affiliates.

    Okay that's my cj complaining today!

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    Use iframes, put the banner on a page all by itself, every page you make for the product should have an iframe "hole" in it (the same size as the banner with NO scrolling) which pulls the banner page up and loads it into that hole.

    You can have hundreds or thousands of pages and or sites all pulling that one ad up and filling in the hole in that particular page with it. Should the merchant expire out the banner you only have to replace the code on one page and instantly all the other pages will be loading the new banner including any pages that are cached by the search engines!!!

    If ANY merchant has a problem with this, DROP THEM LIKE A ROCK, it's not their time thats being wasted replacing hundreds of banners out because they decided to make a change it's your time and labor. Not to mention they may be counting on free traffic for months to come just for making you work your butt off. Knowing that once the search engines cache the page you can't change it if you wanted to (unless of course you are using iframes). Five minutes after I drop a merchant their banner don't load anywhere including the cached pages in the search engines.

    If the page information is generic enough (merchants are real picky about using their brand name anyway, right) then you can swap out to a completely different merchant sending the new merchant instant traffic in 5 minutes!

    Any merchant that has a problem with iframes is too narrow minded and one sided to do business with. It's my time not theirs and I refuse to waste it away at their every beck and whim!

    Affiliates that are not making the most of iframes just plain don't understand the time savings involved or don't have enough pages or sites for it to really matter to them anyway.

    Bottom line: If you have a lot of pages and sites, iframes will save you thousands of wasted hours over time and ANY merchant that don't understand this is not worthy of your time, traffic and efforts. Put a counter on the banner page and you know exactly the total number of impressions and which of your sites pages loaded em.

    A merchant or cj can always check the source code for those 1x1 pixels that some automatically assume is imbedded in all framed pages which is possible but thats what Todd was referring to when he talked about intent. He knows that well intentioned affiliates are just simply saving hours of their time and have no unethical reasons for using iframes.

    People that accuse anyone that uses iframes at all for any reason, of being some sort of sneaky, low life, underhanded thief, are just plain ignorant. I don't have time to waste on ignorant AMs! If they're that ignorant, then they don't have any business being an AM or trying to run, build, boss, manage or operate my websites for me.

    If they want to see every page that their banner is displayed on they can check their logs or all the sites listed for an affiliate at cj and waste their own time. What difference does it make, the customer either buys or he don't. Have you ever heard of a toothpaste merchant refusing to sell to a pervert? Thats like refusing to sell Bibles to a sinner, what difference does it make??? Is it image? The children of perverts need toys and education too, maybe more than most children. Just for the record, I don't have any sites that are even close to being classifed as porn, hate or perverted (I do advertise some ammo ). They can check backward links to the banner page and sit in judgement all they want, if theres a problem then find a merchant thats easy and sensible enough to work with and move on.

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    quote:
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    Use iframes, put the banner on a page all by itself, every page you make for the product should have an iframe "hole" in it (the same size as the banner with NO scrolling) which pulls the banner page up and loads it into that hole.
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    I use this: [ <!--#include virtual="banners/468x60.txt" --> ] intead of iframes.

    I found that by using the [ #include virtual= ] when I made the pages, all I have to do later is change one text file and all the pages will display whatever I include on that [ display-this.txt ]
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    I know, it isn't fair that the Merchants can't perform with their links and your targeted clicks. They're not converting like they should. There should be more things that we can do to fix the situation.

    Fred

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Mr. Sal:
    I use this: [ <!--#include virtual="banners/468x60.txt" --> ] intead of iframes.
    Shhh Sal, you're telling all my secrets!
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    Mr Sal:
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    I use this: [ <!--#include virtual="banners/468x60.txt" --> ] intead of iframes.


    Thanks Mr Sal, ya learn something new everyday, I'm going to go play around with this.

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    SSI's are a lifesaver. Wish I knew about them when I first started affiliate marketing.

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    Mr Sal:
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    I use this: [ <!--#include virtual="banners/468x60.txt" --> ] intead of iframes.

    I tried it, it works fine as long as your on the same site but will not work for getting banners from other sites. I have a lot of sites and a lot of banners, they all (or almost all) pull the banners I use from just one site. That same banner may be displaying on 50 different sites and 100's of different pages including cached search engine pages.

    ssi, php, asp etc use server side includes which build the pages before sending them to the browsers which is great for cross browser compatibility and being copied by search engines, which I don't want, can't change them later after they're cached.

    The only other thing that I've found besides iframes that work across multiple sites is javascript (more people can view iframes than can javascript, or so I'm led to believe) and the object deal which uses active-x and can only be used by ie browsers.

    Bottom line as far as I can determine (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is iframes!!! Using iframes a thousand different sites with a million different pages and thousands of cached search engine pages will all load the banner from one single htm page on one single website and that same single banner can be swapped out with a new merchant banner in 5 minutes easy resulting in all those millions of pages being updated instantly on the next reload.

    Any AM that does not appreciate the time savings offered by iframes and wants to make an issue of it will have to do it with someone else because I refuse to work that hard. Thats why I got into affiliate marketing to start with!

    I really do appreciate the suggestions, I'd been wondering about some of that stuff anyway and it gave me the excuse I needed to actually try it.

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    Just the usual dysfunctional CJ as far as we are concerned. We've sent over 5,500 clicks to a Golf merchant this year and have received a total of about $50.00 for sales resulting from these clicks. How worse can it get?

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    I use this: [ <!--#include virtual="banners/468x60.txt" --> ] intead of iframes. ~ Mr. Sal


    A simple way, I use SmartZones. It works even for static html.
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    IRS:
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    A simple way, I use SmartZones. It works even for static html.
    You set up a smart zone for each individual merchant?
    What happens when you decide to use a merchant from some other network?
    It does sound like a simple and functioning setup as long as you stay 100% with cj merchants. At the rate they've been converting lately, if things don't start changing I may have almost all of them swapped out by the middle of summer.

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    Does anyone have any clue on how to prevent this from happening??


    When one merchant did that enough to really p*ss me off, I finally copied their banner to my site and served it from there. That way they *couldn't* dynamic-ize it any more, and they never complained. (I picked a nice, general banner of theirs so it'd never get out of date or mismatch the pitch.)

    To get the tracking code attached to it easily, click the "Show Advanced Options" link in Get HTML for one of the merchant's banners. If it's enabled, there'll be a spot to enter your own imageURL. Enter it, then click "Update HTML." Presto, tracking code which calls for the image from the location you specified!

    That's not to say that every merchant will allow it, but I figure if they have the option enabled in their Get HTML (click "show advanced options"), it should be cool.

    The options the others mentioned (iframes or SSI) are more robust since they're site-wide solutions, but using the Advanced Options is a way shut down the frustration caused by a merchant or two fairly quickly without the learning curve factor.
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    For some merchants that don't have good banners, I ask my designers to create scome good custom-banners, it doesn't take a lot of time, and some of these really convert well
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    "and being copied by search engines, which I don't want, can't change them later after they're cached."

    ??????????....

    When I want to check on what date Google index my page, I select the cached version and then if I want to see how it looks now, all I have to do is refresh that page to see the current version.

    RoadKill,

    You said that "it works fine as long as your on the same site but will not work for getting banners from other sites", I have to disagree on that, I use SmartZones from CJ and I get the banners displayed with no problem.

    As a matter of fact, I use some of the CJ SmartZones not only for banners but, for links and products too.

    Example:

    If I create an SmartZone with 10 different 468x60 banners, CJ will give me a code like this to insert where I want those banners displayed: { <script type="text/javascript" LANGUAGE="javascript" src="http://www.qksz.net/xx-xxxx"> </script> }

    Before I used to paste that code directly on the page but, after a while I noticed that if I wanted to display another set of 468x60 banners from another new SmartZone, I was forced to go to each page that I had the first { <script type="text/javascript" LANGUAGE="javascript" src="http://www.qksz.net/xx-xxxx"> </script> } and replace it with the new one.

    Now all I do is I create an empty table cell where I want to display the banners and just type something similar to this there: { <!--#include virtual="/new-468x60-banners.txt" --> } and then make a empty notepad text file and name it { new-468x60-banners.txt } and place it on the root or in the special directory that I made for those { new-stuff.txt }.

    From now on, every time that I want to put up a new SmartZone, one banner or I just want to put a important message to my visitors on all the pages that I have the empty cell with the { <!--#include virtual="/new-stuff.txt" --> } all I have to do is type that info on the one new-stuff.txt file and all those pages will display it.

    So far the only pages that I am not able to do the { include virtual } are on the pages that I have on the CGI directory, other than that, I really like using the SSI, I had try iframes long time ago but, I like the SSI better for many reasons.

    Sal.
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    I just realized that I was posting under the wrong thread title, I have no problem with CJ so that's why I opened this other thread.

    Read and learn about SSI free.

    Sal.

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    Getting back on topic here, when a merchant bothers to ask why I dropped them I use the below generic response. Since I'm in the weeding process right now it is becoming a handy thing.

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    Thank You,

    To maintain the number of merchants I affiliate with to a manageable level, I have initiated a minimum set of standards in order to spend the time, resources and effort that each qualifying merchant deserves.

    The minimum standard is now nothing less than 10% commission, 30 day cookies and unlimited occurences (except of course those instances where pay by lead or other unique exceptions are encountered). Once this minimum has been met, a close observation of the conversion ratio is maintained for further screening.

    Since I prefer to build web pages around the product rather than adding the product as an after thought and since almost all click thrus are highly targeted traffic for that particular type of product, those click thrus should be able to maintain a minimum conversion ratio.

    Since it is very difficult, time consuming and even impossible for affiliates to know what all goes on behind the scenes regarding parasites, drive bys, ad blocking software such as Nortons, fraudulent activity, leaky sites, reversals, network tracking, poorly designed websites etc, the conversion ratio is the best indicator as to the profitability of a merchant. I do not use the dollar value of the product in this equation as this would be unfair to the merchant base in my opinion.

    If your affiliate program meets the above minimum standards, then conversions would have been the reason for the declining, expiring, or non promotion of your offer.

    If my use of iframes is involved in this issue, I absolutely refuse to rebuild all my websites into an uncontrollable, chaotic and unmangable state due to the sheer number of pages each banner is displayed on. I consider iframes to be essential in the efficiency of my sites and the massive time savings for me is an absolute necessity. I do not frame any other sites, only the banner itself and use them for no unethical type of practices whatsoever.

    This business model (policy) has nothing to do with you or your product personally and I appreciate your taking the time to ask for a reason. Most merchants do not bother.

    If the above minimum standards are the reason for this email, should you at some point in the future decide to change your payouts to meet the new compliance standards, please feel free to contact me and I will be glad to test your conversion ratios. I apologize for any inconvenience that may have been caused by my signup before initiating these minimum requirments.

    If the conversion ratio is the problem, I am no longer interested.

    Thank You,
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    Feel free to copy and use (edit as needed) I think we should all have a minimum set of standards before affiliating with any merchant, if we would all do this, we would all make more money.

    PS: iframes are the best! When you replace a merchant, you don't want their dead banners showing up in cached search engine pages do you???????

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