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    Is there anything in the T&Cs that state that I can't lie to visitors?

    I'm wondering what the ramifications would be to lie to visitors to try to get them to click through to a site I'm an affiliate of.

    thx

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    you aint likely to get any repeat customers if you treat them like this though.
    One day parasites and their ilk will be made illegal, I bet a few Lawyers will be pissed off when the day comes.
    Mr. Spitzer is fetching it nearer

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    Nest time you're in Boston ask me for directions so I can get you to visit a neighborhood you didn't expect to find yourself in.

    How's that?

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    the very fact that you asked this question says alot about the kind of person you are...
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Greg:
    Is there anything in the T&Cs that state that I can't lie to visitors?

    I'm wondering what the ramifications would be to lie to visitors to try to get them to click through to a site I'm an affiliate of.

    thx


    That's digusting.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Greg:
    Is there anything in the T&Cs that state that I can't lie to visitors?

    I'm wondering what the ramifications would be to lie to visitors to try to get them to click through to a site I'm an affiliate of.

    thx


    What a stupid question! Even more so to let everyone know where your ethics are at.

    Man this board is a lot of fun!

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Greg:
    Is there anything in the T&Cs that state that I can't lie to visitors?

    I'm wondering what the ramifications would be to lie to visitors to try to get them to click through to a site I'm an affiliate of.

    thx


    Don't recall ever reading anything specifically about it in the TOS. (I assume you haven't read it, or you wouldn't be asking here, right?)

    I say go for it. It will be a good learning experience for all of us when you report back after learning all about "Truth In Advertising" and "Bait and Switch" laws and their criminal penalties.

    Wayne

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    lie and lose your customer loyalty.

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    Whoa. 7 replies already. It's a serious question.

    Can anyone point to it in the TOS?

    I've been posting here for awhile. There's something between the lines. I just need to find in the TOS what their stand is before I can prove a point.

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    There's probably nothing in it that says you can't hold a gun to your visitor's head to force them to click, either.

    I guess there's some sort of game being played here. What's the point you're trying to prove?

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    My guess is, if you intentially misrepresent the price, or a product, the merchants may not be too happy with you and boot you from their program. They are the ones who have to deal with questions from customers like "why did this site say you had this product at this price when you didn't!"

    Just ask Akiva about that one
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    Greg, what can you possibly hope to accomplish other than alienating your visitors and possibly being dumped by your merchant?

    And furthermore, no decent affiliate site will do a link exchange with you, and your skin will turn grey and start sloughing off. Really! I read about it.

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    How about a link to the TOS? I can't seem to find it.

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    quote:
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    How about a link to the TOS? I can't seem to find it.

    CJ makes it extremely difficult to find in my opinion. Only way I was able to find it just now was because I had asked support a couple of weeks ago how to find it.

    You have to go to the sign up form like you're applying to be an affiliate -
    https://signup.cj.com/member/publisherSignUp.do

    Then pick your country and currency and hit the "next" button. The next page is the application and the TOS (Service Agreement) is in a box at the top of the page.

    As far as I know, that is the only way to find the TOS as I've looked everywhere and that's also where support sent me.

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    https://signup.cj.com/member/publish...&d=Next+%3E%3E

    This is the signup page where the terms you agree to can be found. A pop-up will tell you that you cannot "mislead others." If by lying, you mean mislead, I guess you're out of luck.

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    Mislead others

    Operate or utilize a Web site or email link to Web sites that contain or promote any of these types of content: libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive, violent, bigoted, hate-oriented, illegal, cracking, hacking or warez, or that offer any illegal good or service, or link to a Web site(s) that do so and/or

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    "Operate or utilize a Web site or email link to Web sites that contain or promote any of these types of content: libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive, violent, bigoted, hate-oriented, illegal, cracking, hacking or warez, or that offer any illegal good or service"

    Two gotchas I see. The word "illegal" is typically a criminal term.

    If I say "Save $1000 at Zappos by Clicking Here" is that illegal? I mean, if you buy a hundred pairs of shoes you might save $1000 in shipping.

    When is the above example a violation of the TOS?

    Second, it says if you utilize a web site or e-mail link.

    A workaround for this would bee to mail out postcards or have a TV advertisement that says to go to a website and click there to save $1000.

    This is all about the cookie. If I say "Save $1000 at Zappos by Clicking Here" and get a user to click, I get the cookie.

    Is this a violation of the TOS?

    Note: Using Zappos here is just an example. I have not used such a statement for any program.

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    Deceptive practices of this sort could very well get you some prime seating in a court of law.

    It tarnishes the reputation of merchants you are affiliated with.

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    Greg making such statements as "Save $1,000 at merchant X" that are not authorized by the merchant can get you booted from the program real fast. Even if it's not actually violating the PSA, the merchant can choose not to work with you. By making such statements I can just see the emails these merchants would get form potential customers: "Site X said I can save X amount but I don't see it on your website!" or "How can I get my discount as mentioned on site X". The merchant customer service department will go bonkers and the AM will immediately take action. Unfortunately I have had to deal with a case or two like this and it wasn't pretty for anyone.
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    "you agree to all terms of the Publisher Service agreement including not to:

    Mislead others "

    Your intent is to mislead a person who expects to reasonably take advantage of your offer. You would be out of any program I ran & would be explaining to the local DA that it is all about the cookie.

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    I can't imagine any reputable merchant putting up with these types of tactics.


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    Without the proper disclaimers, it would be misleading and therefore against the TOS.

    Legal way:

    Save $1000 at Zappos by clicking here!*
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    Then at the bottom of the page, but visible:

    *(Savings of $1000 is the amount you'd save if you purchase 100 pairs of shoes)

    But notice I said, that's a "Legal" way. That just means the cops can't beat your door down if you have the right disclaimers.

    However, the first point in the Terms-- (you can't) MISLEAD others--isn't using the Law as its basis. Merchants may consider it "misleading" even if you do have a disclaimer.

    There are a lot of things that are "legal" that are prohibited in the TOS. But just because something's legal, doesn't mean that CJ has to allow their ads to be a part of it.

    As for this:

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    "Operate or utilize a Web site or email link to Web sites that contain or promote any of these types of content: libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive, violent, bigoted, hate-oriented, illegal, cracking, hacking or warez, or that offer any illegal good or service"

    Two gotchas I see. The word "illegal" is typically a criminal term.



    But "illegal" content, goods, and services are only part of the prohibited content. Internet pornography, for instance, isn't illegal in most jurisdictions. But CJ won't allow their links to be shown on porn sites. Same with bigoted, or abusive content.
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    It looks like Greg wants to tease visitors, rather than an out-and-out lie - really though, not much difference.

    The $1,000. example is a tease. Telling the customer that they will win $ 1,000. if they click would be another matter.

    But again, it's all pretty much the same isn't it.

    Greg, no one here will support what you want to do (duh.), I the best thing is to just play it straight up. Good luck.

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    Enjoy yourself for as long as it lasts. So you create a few cookies. Then the complaints roll in and you are kicked out of the program. Then where are you? Was it worth it?

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    I don't think this guy Greg is serious, I think he just started this inflamatory thread just to get a free T-Shirt for off Haiko
    One day parasites and their ilk will be made illegal, I bet a few Lawyers will be pissed off when the day comes.
    Mr. Spitzer is fetching it nearer

    YouTrek

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    When I was in the Navy over at the Great lakes Naval training center north of Chicago, there were a whole bunch of shops right outside the main gate. Mostly stereo shops. The young "gentlemen" in their suits would stand outside and try and pull you in with slick lines. IF you went in you found that most of what was said was a flat out lie.

    I have avoided those kinds of situations ever since. I still don't go into those kinds of stores (20 years later) just because of my past experiences.

    I apply the same philosophy to websites and other internet promotions. If it sounds slick, I want nothing to do with it. I have no idea what's on the other side of that click and don't want to find out.

    Statements like save $1000 sounds too slick.

    BTW... other affiliates are patrolling the web looking for people like you so they can turn you in to the merchant and have you booted from the program. Less competition that way.
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