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    CJ rocks as a content provider for Adsense.

    I built a one screen page for a specific niche retail product.
    Plugged in 4 CJ merchant's 250x250 banners side by side with a one line
    blurb about the offers above them, have a 729 Adsense banner between the title page and the banners and a text link to a CJ merchant that has all the relevant keywords below the banners. That's it.

    Made $7.54 from Adsense from the first 100 people to view the page.

    Made ZERO from CJ Merchants.

    If those numbers hold we are talking $266.20 from 3,000 page views...sale or no sale. Any sale would be a bonus.

    The moral of the story - use CJ and LS merchant creatives to build pages designed to get Adsense click thrus first, sales second.

    If the merchants and CJ want to shaft affilitates, then use them to force Adsense bids for theit products higher by generating more Adsense views in their category.

    Eyeballs matter. Who pays for them is the key.

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    Thanks for cluttering up the web with useless pages. You've found a way to make money as your surfers desperately try to leave a pointless page.

    And thanks for letting all the newbies and lurkers in on this 'secret'.

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    Domain Addict / Formerly known as elbowcreek Thomas A. Rice's Avatar
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    I'm closing a $3,500 sale for my tarp site that an affiliate generated for me.

    Had that affiliate directed the traffic elsewhere, via an adsense ad, they would have made 5 or 6 cents.

    Because they channelled the traffic over to me, they are going to clear 8% of that $3,500 sale.

    I understand the value and tempation involved with putting adsense on every page. There is something to be said for slow, steady income.

    But, what are you going to miss out on, when that surfer goes over to a non affiliate merchant and makes a buy?

    I place adsense on a lot of my content sites, where I am not clearly selling an item. On my fiction pages, essay pages, things like that. Those pages never made any money anyways, just generated some traffic.

    On my product pages, though, I give them very limited options - I want them clicking through to my merchant.

    Who's to say you would not have made sales if they had clicked on your merchant instead of the adsense ads? Unless you have some unique, over-riding draw to pull them back to your site, once they leave it's a done deal.

    It might be that you have a terrific way to make some steady money there, and that's great! Just make sure you aren't trading dollars for pennies.
    Following everyone else is a GREAT way to become average.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by elbowcreek:
    I'm closing a $3,500 sale for my tarp site that an affiliate generated for me.
    ME? Fingers crossed here...
    Affiliate Marketing - The hardest easy money I ever made.

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    Domain Addict / Formerly known as elbowcreek Thomas A. Rice's Avatar
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    Sorry Donna, not this time. Maybe the next one!
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    I agree that if the merchant isn't converting, then go with adsense. Jersey Jean is making good money off of 100 visitors and it's regardless if the sales come in. To say the site is useless clutter, well, that all depends.

    BTW, I like the new adsense search box thingy. Seems to work well.

    There is a lot of potential in adsense, I just hope google doesn't have a problem sending out big checks.
    I forgot what I was doing.

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    Elbow is right up to a point.

    But he forgot one thing- how much did it cost me to get the $3,500 sale and the $350 commission?

    It's not as if I don't have some cost to send him traffic. If it's $35 per month for the hosting and other stuff just to be able to send him the customer, then I'm even if I make one sale like that every 10 months. If I make 2 sales I'm ahead $350.

    I might come out ahead if I make just one sale per month for less, but it's all on my nickel.

    Adsense at least shares the nickel.

    Here's the point: It cost 5 cents to be #1 on the PPC word TARPS - If I send Elbow 10 visitors per day on my nickel, I am out $15 per month. I need to sell $150 worth of product to just be even.

    But I'm not selling the product, Elbow is. If he can't sell ONE in 300, I lose but he isn't out anything.

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    Domain Addict / Formerly known as elbowcreek Thomas A. Rice's Avatar
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    Yes, I agree, if the merchant just doesn't convert, I can see doing that. There's also the seasonal aspect to think about, as well. Baseball field covers sell RIGHT NOW, but not much at other times of the year. There are times when conversion rates are much, much higher.

    One site that I have converted 11% of my traffic in November. 11 sales for every 100 people. Right now, that same site is converting at 1 sale every 120 visitors. I've never really thought about it that much, but perhaps adsense in the 'off' season would generate more income. I dunno, but it is fun to second guess yourself, isn't it?
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    Here's my take on the conversion stuff.

    Say I build a Elbow Tarp page. I don't build individual sites, just pages on one site.

    I have tested and so has my SO, a bunch of things...basically what works best is to not have more than 5 or 6 links on any one page.

    I count the Google 729 banner as one link, but in reality it has 4 links on it....So on this Elbow Tarp page I would have 3 or 4 links to Elbows Merchant Site and the Adsense banner.

    If people click a Adsense link I make something, if they are really interested in a baseball field cover or truck cover, they will click over to Elbow.

    To make it easy - let's say I have 3 Elbow links with assorted verbage and the Google banner.

    What choices does a visitor have when they get to this page - really they have 5 - back or click home, one of the Elbow links and one of the Google links.

    Percentage wise that's 20% each if all links were clicked equally. If that WERE the case, then Elbow would get 60% of my page traffic, Google would get 20% and 20% would go back where they came from.

    With good page tracking software you can get a pretty accurate number of the real percentage.
    The you tweak the words and links and placement to see if you can get less 'back where you came from' clicks.

    So if I get 100 people to come see my presell about Tarps and I get 50% to go to Elbows home page, I am doing a great job for Elbow and maybe he makes a sale.

    But the kicker for me is how many of the other 50% clicks goes to Adsense....the higher the number the better.

    I think the goal for every page should be to make $1 per day...since that's what it costs in time to run a single page, when you add up hosting and other stuff, in and of itself.

    I know you can run 10, 20, 30 pages for $30/month...but you can't do ONE for much less.

    So if 20 of my hundred visitors/day click thru to an Adsense ad and and I make 5 cents per click then I can run this page for ever and whenever Elbow makes a sale from my traffic, I make a profit.

    Elbow has an affiliate for life...now obviously if another more lucrative opportunity comes along then those 100 people per day might go somewhere else.

    The problem with Elbow and most merchants is they have yuck creatives--creatives need to be desinged to induce a clickthru to the main company page, not try to make the sale with the creative - then when the visitor gets to the company page, he/she needs to see the beneifts and features logically laid out so that they direct the viewer to making a purchase.

    One of the main reasons merchants have trouble converting is they have too much extranious stuff not relative to closing the sale right there and now.

    I feel Adsense makes it possible for me to be an affiliate for merchants who sell but sporadically and even those that sell very well.

    If you use a good link tracker, you can see what I am talking about and make more money.

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    no offense but i'd rather go straight for the main course rather than stop by for crumbs.

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    I posted the LONG version of this somewhere - here's the short version.

    Had a merchant that I sent a LOT of visitors a day - they never converted

    I contacted merchant, he said he knows they have a conversion problem

    Someone at ABW told me to ad adsense to the page.

    I made (I think $248 my first month) with google

    PLUS,

    the merchant stated converting.

    My guess is the visitor checked out the competition thru google (and I got paid per click) and then said "Well this merchant ain't so bad" and bought something.

    So well placed adsense makes sense.

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    Domain Addict / Formerly known as elbowcreek Thomas A. Rice's Avatar
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    Something else to consider.......... I track repeat sales, cookie is set to never expire. So, you are not just missing out on 1 sale but multiple sales........
    Following everyone else is a GREAT way to become average.

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    Every day I learn something new at ABW. Granted, today's lessons aren't typical, but I learned

    Chris(WSO) REALLY is in Thailand

    elbowcreek REALLY sells tarps (When I posted the fluke 1/4 million dollar bonus and you said you'd sell me a tarp real cheap, I thought it was a joke!)

    and Chet just showed me I can easily find really important and vital information (my previous posts) by clicking the ### by my name.

    See, my day wasn't totally wasted.

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    JJ...

    YES.. Exactly what I would have said... and how I feel. PLUS.... this doesn't even take into consideration the parasite/Norton dilemna

    Overall it seems to be a good idea to take the adsense click while at the same time taking the serious shopper commission percentage, if the shopper is serious about buying an actual product right away. >best of both worlds<

    However, in my experience within the last year, the adsense click seems to be MUCH more reliable than the commission percentage....at least where CJ is concerned... In other networks or Indies it may actually be a better payoff to hold out for the commission.. but definately not with CJ in these days of parasitic theivery and the decline (read: STEEP decline) of actual sales and leads reported at CJ. At least Adsense gives you something concrete to base your income upon...

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    From Google Adsense Program Policies

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    No AdWords ad may be placed on PAGES PUBLISHED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF SHOWING ADS, whether or not the page content is relevant.

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    I just did some analysis. My EPC on Adwords beats almost all of the 30+ affiliate/merchant programs I participate in (LS,BF,CJ,SAS, and Indies). Guess what is moving to the top of my pages?.

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    I just checked mine, and 31 of the 140 merchants I work with outperform my AdSense account in terms of EPC. Still, AdSense outperforms over 75% of the merchants I work with.
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    "No AdWords ad may be placed on PAGES PUBLISHED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF SHOWING ADS, whether or not the page content is relevant."

    Is a text link with a recommendation about a specific product an ad for that product?

    None of my pages are "PUBLISHED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF SHOWING ADS."

    My pages are published for the express purpose of getting people to click over to my affiliate partners or to show people where to go get the product and services they were told about before they came to my page.

    I think Google means, you can't just have a page with only the Google Ad banner on it.

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    Every day I get emails with new TOS, always filled with more things affiliates are no longer allowed to do:

    Can't bid on certain words

    Can't mention the company in metatags, or page titles

    Can't frame the page

    Can't mention coupon codes that aren't available thru the networks links

    etc, etc, ad infinitum!

    WHY do affiliate managers stay up late creating more rules and limiting our ability to promote them?

    Because "savvy" affiliates like yourself keep finding ways to "improve" the system

    When I first became an affiliate, the TOS was "Use our links, make a certain commission, and you can't be a hate site or a pornographic site.

    Now the TOS is filled to the brim mentioning more things we can't due than any mention of benefits or advancing our partnerships.

    I feel that soon the networks will ad "And you can't have Google adsense on any page that promotes our merchants"

    Jersey Jean, thanks for sharing your wonderful discovery with all us other dedicated affiliates. I'm honored to be associated with you. PLEASE:

    1. Give us the URL (see the Review my site category) and I'm sure any number of ABWers would be happy to say how wonderful and valuable your page is.

    2. Let us submit your page to Google to confirm that's what they had in mind for adsense ads. As a responsible affiliate, I'm sure you'd want an answer strait from the source.

    3. Let's submit the page to CJ and the "featured" merchants and get a confirmation from them that this is a new discovery on a good way for affiliates to promote them.

    Soon as we get the blessing of these parties, we can give this post a 5 star rating, place it at the top of the CJ forum, and we can all start making these wonderful pages ourselves!

    Gosh! I for one am soooooo tired of updating coupons and dealing with datafeeds. And dealing with customers who all seem to have different needs. I'm glad someone finally found the better way.

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    ........(When I posted the fluke 1/4 million dollar bonus and you said you'd sell me a tarp real cheap, I thought it was a joke!)
    - - - - -

    I'm telling ya, that would have been one really, really nice $250,000 tarp!
    Following everyone else is a GREAT way to become average.

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