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  1. #1
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    What gives? I have been using and promoting CJ advertisers for a year now, traffic is finally really starting to flow to the sites I run - and now I'm deactivated once commissions are starting to be generated.

    I've gone to a lot of time and effort to create attractive sites using direct product links which take A LOT OF TIME versus the link farm approach - and I'm serious hacked off that I get ZERO response from CJ on why this occurred.

    This is totally bogus and I'm not a happy camper.

    This happened a year ago, too - suddenly I couldn't log in and never got any explanation why - fortunately I'd just started so I shrugged my shoulders and just created a new account. This time, I've invested a ton of time and effort and thought into how to use CJ's advertisers to maximize impact, at least a couple of hundred hours on CJ advertisers alone, and I am seriously wondering if there are any sort of consumer fraud violations by this unilateral and unexplained behavior.

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    CJ seems to think if you aren't making large piles of money from their merchants you are no longer interested in having an account...

    The CJ system is set with a default which all affiliates climb over and stay above....

    inspite of all of the tricks they promote to their merchants.... that are anti-affiliate

    just contact them and ask what happened... ask to be reactivated....

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    Scary that you'd get singled out twice by the NETtoriously weak CJ compliance team. You must have violated several TOS and CoC terms.
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    It sounds liike the traffic may have been flowing put the commissions weren't. Your account may get deactivated if you have not earned any commissions in a 6 month period. It is called the productive publisher policy.
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    notary sojac Herb ԿԬ's Avatar
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    a rite of passage, I'm afraid . . . it seems clicks don't count; dollars do.

    when we're new we don't get orders, just clicks. so we optimize and redesign and try to find the best match of merchant and we watch those clicks go up and up.

    but if the orders still haven't come in in time, the gate clangs shut. so we get a new account and start over and vow that if it looks like it is going to happen again we will make a test order or two (for something we can use) and squeak by for another six months.

    by the way, at that time you really have to take a good look at what you are doing.

    been there. got lucky.

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    To avoid being deactivated, just find one of your merchants that allow you to buy from your own links and buy something.

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    quote:
    It is called the productive publisher policy.


    what you should call it is:

    Another way for CJ to steal commissions!
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    I planned on posting a new topic but I'd like to mention it in this thread as well after the post by my2cents. Here's the situation...

    I was just updating my spyware program and was enabling it to protect my newest browser, Firefox. The thing that kinda freaked me out is I looked over the list of blocked cookies in Spyware Blaster and I noticed just about all affiliate network cookies are blocked!! That's right, Commission Junction, Linkshare(which is Link Synergy by url for tracking, I believe), BeFast, and Overture... and quite possibly more affiliate programs that I'm unaware of.

    Now, my question to you guys is this... am I wrong to wonder about this? Is this going to impact affiliate earnings? Should we be emailing program writers such as Spyware Blaster and question why they have to block the tracking cookies for people's livlihood and legitimate internet businesses, etc? Thousands of people each day are downloading these programs and they are not just blocking porn dialers!!! I understand blocking porn cookies that force porn pop-ups to spring up on the family computers, but this could be quite serious. I'd like to hear you guys thoughts...

    Is this affecting your affiliate earnings? How much money is lost? How many people are being forwarded to the merchant's website and the site who forwarded the user being not counted? Is this free traffic for the merchants with lil dumb affiliates not knowing any better?

    Thanks,
    mmh3
    P.S. I also posted this at associateprograms.com's forums with 70+ viewings and no response. Maybe I'll get a few here...

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    The thing that kinda freaked me out is I looked over the list of blocked cookies in Spyware Blaster and I noticed just about all affiliate network cookies are blocked!! That's right, Commission Junction, Linkshare(which is Link Synergy by url for tracking, I believe), BeFast, and Overture... and quite possibly more affiliate programs that I'm unaware of.

    Holy Cr@p!

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    this could be quite serious.
    I realize it's your first post, but this topic has been done to death. CJ and all the regular posters on these boards are well aware of all the issues. Stick around and do some reading, you'll quickly be up to speed. Use the find feature at the top of this page and type in "spyware blaster" for starters, then type "norton".

    Please don't start a new thread!

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    Back on topic

    My first reaction is to smugly say "If you havent earned anything in 6 months, not even a lousy ebay dime, then CJ is merely putting you out of your misery"
    Having said that, I must admit that I had signed up with CJ long before I knew what I was doing and my account sat idle and stuck on $0 for over a year. I remember when it went to $2 after a $20 sale and I called my wife over to let her see. It was a great moment.
    If CJ had killed me off before I copped on, I may still be w*rking for a living. I shudder to think of it.

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    I do believe there should be some kind of courtesy email from CJ.com, at least a week before the account is deactivated so the affiliate has a chance to do something about it.

    I do tire of reading posts saying "I was deactivated, and I don't know why." Communication is the key.
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    quote:
    what you should call it is:

    Another way for CJ to steal commissions!


    How can CJ steal commissions from someone that didn't make any sales? Isn't that the reason for deactivation?

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    Thanks for the info, ToughTurkey. At least someone is answering me on these issues...

    mmh3

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    If cj had that policy back when I was starting out, I would have been deactivated after 6 months. It took a year to make my first sale.

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    if I remember right, CJ could tap an account that had money in it but that became inactive. I forget the exact amount.

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    we had 7.50 in one of our accounts that got deativitated..i guess cj kept the money..i think if i remember correctly..they charge $10 and if you don't have 10 then they close it..i should correct myself..this was my brother's account..and I agree, they should give you a few days notice..we knew it was going to be soon, but didn't realize hwo soon..oh well..only cost us 7.50, not the end of the world..he just has to change all the links now

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    I believe that technically, you can request to have an account closed and we will pay you your balance.

    On the other hand, if you become innactive and/or abandon your account, we can charge you a dormant account fee ($10) and close your account.
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    I have to say that I made very little from CJ merchants for years, and went in 6 month blocks without sales more than once. Now that I know what I am doing and am serious about it, I am making CJ *and* myself some nice cash. If they deactivated me I guess I would be making that cash for/with even more indie programs.

    I think 6 months is NOT enough time to give a publisher that is new to AM to see commissions. Not at all.
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    I only have one merchant with CJ, and I haven't made that much from them. So I always worried about getting kicked out too. I just checked though - my accounts still there! And I made a few dollars this month.

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    It happened to me too and the balance was never returned after the account was reactivated.

    Considering Google is excluding new domains from the serps for up to six months it is ridiculous for CJ to cut new affiliates off after six months.

    Nowadays, it can easily take longer than six months to get started.

    The worst aspect is the total lack of communication.

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