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  1. #1
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    Maybe I've just got this wrong but I think that with Windows XP Service Pack II applied my browser is blocking CJ cookies by default



    Does this mean that I will get no commissions from anybody with service pack II who does not buy immediately?

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    I have SP2 installed and there aren't any domains at all in my "Managed Web sites" list. Maybe some software like norton added those sites to your list?

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    I don't have Norton installed but I do have Spybot Search & Destroy.

    I removed qksrv from the list of blocked cookies, ran S & D and got it to immunize my PC.

    Sure enough qksrv is back in the list of blocked cookies

    I cannot believe that a product that's been praised here at ABW would do such a thing

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    This is bad - it looks like the cookie doesn't have much time left. Hopefully the CJ and Linkshare have some good server/merchant-side tracking solution in the works and near completion.

    Shady BHOs are single handedly destroying affiliate marketing as we know it. Well, it's destroying the Cookie as an effective means of tracking.

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    Search & Destroy isn't a BHO - it's a software tool to remove and protect your PC from parasites.

    I have seen many posts here at ABW recommending this software in the fight against parasites stealing our commissions.

    I cannot believe therefore that this software, whilst not stealing our commissions, could well be preventing them from being generated at all!


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    For what it's worth....I have XP SPII and S&D and cj cookies aren't blocked for me. Something else going on perhaps?
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    I didn't mean to imply that S&D was a BHO, I meant that if there weren't any shady BHOs to begin with people wouldn't even need S&D.

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    As I said earlier - I removed the offending entry and it only came back when I used S&D to 'immunize' my PC.

    As far as I'm concerned it's a no-brainer.

    I'm gonna try it on some other PC's tomorrow to see if the same thing happens.

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    Thought I should mention I have XP Pro, not XP Home - don't know if that makes any difference?

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    I think that Spybot added a new feature in
    the last few months, where you can immunize
    your system, which does add entries to the
    Managed Web Sites or Restricted Sites list. I remember there was
    sometime this year when we needed to upgrade
    to a new version, that the old version would
    no longer be supported. When I upgraded, I was
    having problems logging in to my Findwhat and
    7search accounts. I discovered that these had
    been added to my Restricted Sites list. I
    removed all of the sites that Spybot had added
    and have never used their immunize feature
    again.

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    You have to go in your cookies folder and tell it to Accept cookies from CJ. Even then, if there's an update it might start blocking them again.

    If the parasites weren't so invasive and prolific, we wouldn't need all these programs to protect us. I blame the parasites for this mess, and the networks for allowing them to run rampant for so long! What goes around, comes around...

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    And I imagine that the vast majority of people who download S&D will take advantage if the immunize feature.

    So what we once considered friendly software is now actually working to our detriment

    I've contacted the author to see if this is intentional or an oversight.

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    I posted about this exact situation at associateprograms.com yesterday and got zero responses. It really is scary to think that Spyware removal programs could be blocking legit businesses from earning their commissions.

    I updated Spyware Blaster and then turned it on for my new browser, which is firefox and just glanced over the list and noticed most major affiliate programs' cookies are blocked. I'm a newb to all this and didn't know if this meant what I thought it may mean. So, I asked and got no answers. I know lot's of affiliates may not be programmer types other than a little html here and there. Considering I had 70+ views at associateprograms.com and no responses tells me nobody really knows if or how bad this may be affecting their income.

    I then was going to email CJ but couldn't find an email for tech issues at their website currently, and then I came here... so, does anybody or the CJ liason know if this could be affecting affiliates and not counting the traffic they are sending to the merchants?

    Thanks,
    mmh3

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    Also, I have just now looked into my exceptions menu in firefox's privacy and all of the major affiliate networks are currently set to block.. the same as the poster above. BTW, I only use Spyware Blaster.

    I believe this is a serious problem considering the thousands who are now downloading spyware removal/blocking programs; Spyware Blaster, Ad Aware, Search & Destroy, etc. These programs are some of the most popular on the net currently.

    If this is truly a problem, then it will need to be addressed with full affiliate marketing publishers support and a campaign to bug the heck out of the author's of these programs, whom I believe initially had good intentions. BUT, as of right now, they may be killing off small business profits and mom and pop businesses all across the world.

    I understand blocking porn dialers and such, but this is going a bit too far! Let's hope that this is somehow a misunderstanding of some sort... I dunno what to think right now really...

    mmh3

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    I have to say I'm surprised at the lack of response from peeps here at ABW

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    Microdat,

    S&D has been doing that for quite some time now (even before the last upgrade a couple of months ago). Along with many of the other popular removal apps. It's been talked about here several times in the past, which may be why you aren't seeing a whole lot of response in this thread. With my current copy of S&D (the most recent version), even though it gives a pop up saying the cookies were blocked, they are still set and the tracking still goes through. That could just be some kind of glitch in my program, I'm not certain. When I posted that information, no one else said if they had actually checked the cookies were being blocked as S&D were saying. Although it did seem to interefer with some being able to log into their Network accounts. As far as intentional or an oversight on S&D's part....he takes a very strong privacy stance and sees the Network cookies as privacy issues.

    This is the problem (and to be honest a huge concern for me) when government regulators are saying the Industry needs to self regulate and are looking towards the removal apps for that self regulation. You have private companies (many for profit) regulating other private companies and having control over their ability to do business. Just very very wrong IMO and not how things are supposed to be.

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    I did some research and went by Ad Aware at lavasoft.de, also emailed them my thoughts. They actually have an affiliate program set up through digital river's affiliate program "element 5."

    I was surprised to see an ad/spyware removal program actually have an affiliate program and checked my PC for thier cookies, and also if Spyware Blaster blocks element 5's cookies or if they use them at all. I was unable to find a block or a cookie set up by Digital River's Element 5 on my computer.

    If I did find tracking cookies, it would appear to me to be total bs on thier part, as far as them choosing one tracking program that monitor's thier sales and then blocking the others network's cookies at will.

    To be quite honest, the power of these programs to block any cookie they desire is quite scary. I understand this has been re-hashed before here, but did anyone take action... was an email or petition campaign set-up to inform people of the situation? Any websites set-up addressing this exact issue?

    Also, this community is way to knowledgeable of html and marketing to just set by the laurels and let money be taken from thier pockets like this. Especially so arbitarilly. Something CAN be done about this... if it is affecting these programs in a major way and I'm just not sure that they are at this point in time.

    Anyways, maybe more later...

    mmh3

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    One thing I would mention is that CJ now has a number of domains (that per the rules I will not post) beyond just the old qksrv domain.

    I would recommend generating new links from CJ's sites. This should help with the problem both in the short and long term. If CJ keeps rotating domains, cookie blockers will not be able to keep up.

    Lastly, I would mention that even my "old" CJ links are not from ****.com as noted above. They are from ****.NET . So, perhaps this has no impact anyway.

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