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    All,

    I ask that if you deal with any of the companies on this list, you email them the "Proof of Morpheus stealing links" thread ( http://www.abestweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/...&f=21&t=000089 ) So that they drop Morpheus, now!

    The merchants we can FORCE Morpheus (BUYERSPORT) to change their monopolizing of all sales commissions generated by honest affiliates ... remember they have 80,000,000++ downloads!!

    Haiko


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    Merchant List A.O. 5/8/2002
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    1-800-Flowers
    1Bookstreet
    A&E/The History Channel
    Adidas
    Alex Blake
    Alibris
    All Together Leather
    Altrec
    Amazon.com
    American Singles
    Ancestry.com
    Are You Game
    Astrocenter
    Astrology
    AT&T
    Baby Universe
    Bargain Outfitters
    Barnes and Noble
    Baseball Warehouse
    Bass Pro Shop
    Bath-and-Body
    Batteries.com
    Best Buy
    Big Yank Sports
    Binoculars.com
    Bluelight
    BookCloseOuts
    Bose
    Brigade Quartermasters, Ltd
    Brooks Brothers
    Buy.com
    Camera World
    Car Fax
    Car Frenzy
    Cardstar
    Cars Direct
    CD Universe
    Chadwicks
    ClassReunionSearch
    Cobra Electronics
    Columbia House
    Compaq
    Cyberguys
    Cycle Mall USA
    Date.com
    dELiA*s
    Dell Home Systems
    Dialpad
    Dick's Sporting Goods
    Direct Wireless
    Discovery Store
    Disney
    DVD Planet
    Eastwood Company
    EB Games
    EBags
    Eddie Bauer
    Eharmony
    etoys
    EZIBA
    Famous Footwear
    Finish Line
    Florist
    Flower.com
    Fogdog Sports
    Fogdog Sports
    Forzieri
    Fossil
    FTD
    Game Stop
    Gap
    Get Married Now
    Golfballs.com
    Great Classic Movies
    GreatFlowers
    HiFi
    Home Shopping Network
    Hooked On Phonics
    Illuminations
    J Crew
    J&R Comp/Music World
    Jockey
    Johnston & Murphy
    Jos. A Bank
    Just My Size
    KB toys
    Kenneth Cole
    L.L. Bean
    Lacrosse.com
    Lane Bryant
    Lerner Catalog
    MagazineCity
    Magazines.com
    Mars Music
    Martha Stewart
    McAfee
    Medifocus
    Micro Warehouse
    Music Imports
    Music Space
    Music Yo
    NeoComputers
    NetFlix
    Newport News
    Northern Tool & Equipment
    Old Navy
    Omni Casino
    On Tool
    Onehanesplace
    Online Sports
    Oriental Trading
    OshKosh B'Gosh
    OshKosh B'Gosh
    Pacific Sunwear
    Paintball-Online
    Par Golf Gear
    Paul Fredrick
    Paw Island
    Payless Shoe
    PC Connection
    PC Mall
    People First
    Performance Bicycle
    Performance Products
    Photo Alley
    Powell's Books
    Quadratec
    Quadratec
    Radio Shack
    Recorded Books
    Reel
    Register.com
    Ritz Camera
    Roamans
    Sea Eagle Inflatable Boats
    Shoe.com
    ShopAtHomeTV
    Singlenet
    Smarter Kids
    SnowTrader
    Soccer.com
    Sony Music
    Spiegel
    Sportsman's Guide
    Support Plus
    TheBabyOutlet
    Totally Fun Toys
    UMBRO
    US Search
    Verizon Wireless
    Wal-Mart
    WearGuard
    West Marine
    Wickers Sportswear
    Wicks End
    Woolrich
    WWF Shop Zone
    Yak Pak
    Zappos
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    Talk about a list of non-performing wank merchants seeking EyeBalls ..this is it. Hell it almost parallels my "sheet list" I just submitted as looser non-converting merchants for my 3 CyberMalls. If I pulled down all the above forever I'd loose 10.00 per quarter. Maybe the crooks are dumber than the networks that feed them. These are the ones with real world ADVERTISING budgets and the ones you have to beg to get paid. Wait until they get hit with scumlord bills for normally non-commissionable URL links and hijacked search terms. I should take the time to remove them all and vote on them by not ggiving them visitors to hijack my POTENTIAL commissions. This could also be why none of them convert for my targeted traffic.

    I'm surprised OverStock is still on the list and thta might account for their conversion ratio jumping to 1 sale per every 1000+ clicks from an average of 1 sale per 90 clicks....hijackers getting my sales and adding theirs to the mix. No wonder Shawn assumes his program is doing so well and growing at BeFree and Linkshare. I see PcConnections and Martha Stewart have gone 100% pure scumware since they closed down their affiliate programs.

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    No wonder Shawn assumes his program is doing so well and growing at BeFree and Linkshare.


    Yeah, what's up with that? He said he was checking and rechecking when I suggested it might be just a handful of hijackers skewing his numbers.

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    I know that Shawn is checking on it.

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    I have to say I agree with Mike that these are the biggest load of wanks I've ever seen.

    I thought none except Amazon were my merchants anymore then I got an email from Peoplefirst saying I'd been dropped.

    Oh No. What will I do now.

    So, say this bunch of lusers go scumware only, and get used to making money by stealing, there could be interesting times ahead. And I'm thinking there are good reasons for encouraging these worthies to continue with their scumware buddies.

    We might find it easier to attack the scumware itself, than talk these thieving merchants round.

    I say wait till they are well and truly dependant, then launch a collective attack on the scumware via any means possible. (Including going round their houses and chatting to them personally).

    And, I'd like to say now, for the record, that I will go ballistic at anyone moaning on about how -

    1) Any of the above don't convert
    2) Sports stores don't convert
    3)'I sent this merchant 1000 clicks and didn't get a sale and I gave them another chance I wonder why they're still not converting'.


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    We might find it easier to attack the scumware itself, than talk these thieving merchants round.



    As this point it might be too early to call them thieving merchants. Some, maybe a lot of them don't know.

    For example, Overstock.com's Shawn knows about it, but he is apparently having to do extensive research to figure out how to locate them in his affiliate database.

    And Steve Messer himself claims it is incredibly difficult to find them as they can resign up (so difficult that they are throwing up their hands and giving up trying for now).

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    Shawn might have a point. Steve doesn't. Steve can confiscate their earnings after the event. He's just being weasely again.


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    Here's an interesting statistic... my EPC for Amazon.co.uk (not listed) is forty times that for Amazon.com (who are listed). Odd huh?

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    Well there *is* a real shortage of UK delivery merchants.

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    Thanks for posting that Haiko.
    Is that the complete list or just the ones you were able to discover?

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    eaglefire,

    The list represents all of the merchants that are currently 'active' with them.

    Wait... they are adding more ... I'll update the list asap!

    Haiko
    [added the "wait ..."]

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    Good. There are some I am very happy not to see on the list ...

    Thanks agin'

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    What do we say to the merchants?

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    chinaski,

    Hi and Welcome to ABW!

    Just direct them to the the "Proof of Morpheus stealing links" thread ( http://www.abestweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=21&t=000089 ) So that they drop Morpheus, now!

    Haiko

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    Hi Haiko [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
    Do they know what Morpheus is, or does it go by other names?

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    Chinaski,

    Yes they do!

    Morpheus, Buyersport and Wurldmedia, there is another one but I have not found that one out yet, but I'm working on it [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] (it is confidential info), mostly (99%of the time) they are listed as buyersport.

    HTH

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    Well I sent out a letter to all of Cj's that I currently am with. I suggest everyone write their own letter and send it out to their sponsors. They have to see we are pissed. Now on to Link Share.

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    Link Share done, and also emailed Performics. I invited them all to at least read this thread. Hopefully We can get a few gone. Lets work hard to destroy parasite ware. It's like there's a new one every month....maybe more...

    Don't these 3rd party tracking people realize, without us they have no company? If Parasite Ware conquor all, Us as a normal affiliates will either join them or vanish, ( mostly vanish) If there'll only be 5-10 parasites, that are on 90% of the computers. Our job will be over, and without us, they have no company because 5-10 networks can't be a 3rd party tracking for a handful of affiliates can they now.

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    This comes at a very bad time as we just launched a marketing campaign through Buyersport (Morpheus) to promote all of our MP3 players through the Morpheus software.

    Nevertheless, I just got off the phone with them to a) let them know about the problem, and b) to see what they were doing to fix it.

    They (Buyersport) were made aware of the problem, and they informed me of a patch they are releasing in the next few days. The patch, I was told, will remove the code responsible for stealing links, which should end this.

    I have another call tomorrow to talk with their technical folks to gain a better understanding of exactly how and when they will release the patch.

    Just thought you would all like to know that there are some of us Merchants who are concerned and are actively trying to help fix the problems.

    My stance is clear, and I will stay on top of this until it gets fixed.

    Thanks,

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    Canfree,

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    Don't these 3rd party tracking people realize, without us they have no company? If Parasite Ware conquor all, Us as a normal affiliates will either join them or vanish, ( mostly vanish) If there'll only be 5-10 parasites, that are on 90% of the computers. Our job will be over, and without us, they have no company because 5-10 networks can't be a 3rd party tracking for a handful of affiliates can they now.


    The major idiocy here is with the ad networks! They get their deals with brokers (the ones who really make the $$ with the "D"uper Affiliates like WhenU, Morpheus and Aadacom (etc) they [CJ. LS, BF] don't earn their %, they [Parasiteware] will go direct! :eek:

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    Shawn,

    See my email!

    These guys are crooks, period!

    There are 80,000,000+++ computers that have this sheet, I'll try to fix that but don't ever 'trust' them or believe their lies!

    Haiko

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    Quick Letter back from Ebay.com
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    Thank you for your email. To clarify, eBay removed Buyersport/Wurld Media from our affiliate program over two weeks ago. I have spoken with the Buyersport team and they are aware that they are no longer an eBay affiliate and have removed all eBay links from their site. Please do let us know if you still see eBay links on the Buyersport site.
    Thanks,
    The eBay Affiliate Team

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    Hello,

    First of all, I was unaware of Morpheus as an affiliate. Second, I have checked your links and removed them from our program...it will take a week for this to go into effect.

    Thanks,

    TowerRecords.com Affiliate Staff "




    Hopefully it's Morphfuss and not me removed from the program. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Canfree,

    FYI, on the merchant side ...

    We've been pooping on them left and right, their sales team is in overdrive, after a month's ramping up against my initial threat that Steve Griffin a coward in the BeFree Forum.... well he IS!

    A week to drop them? ROTFLMAO! It takes seconds to drop an affiliate! They are waiting to see if they [Morpheus] will finally be true!

    Haiko

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    Canfree said:"Don't these 3rd party tracking people realize, without us they have no company? If Parasite Ware conquor all, Us as a normal affiliates will either join them or vanish, ( mostly vanish) If there'll only be 5-10 parasites, that are on 90% of the computers. Our job will be over, and without us, they have no company because 5-10 networks can't be a 3rd party tracking for a handful of affiliates can they now."

    The parasite hijackers need the affiliates traffic to interlope on so they feed on our content( Toptext) and/or our visitors clicks since they have neither. They suck us dry and they only have folks like Looksmart, other merchants and the SE's to shine the spotlights on the roadside deer. These guys have no loyality to anyone especially the networks if they can migrate their merchants to privately run affiliate scripts.

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    Shawn go back and find out when OverStock heavily committed to coupon special links -free freight specials and even the seasonal specials at BeFree and then LS. Research the side deals with Gator.com- ShopNow/Whenu.com -Ezula and Kazzaa and all those other broker deals that promised your links and specials would appear on competitors sites. Those dates and campaigns will coincide the drop in all your normal affiliates conversion ratios. We still converted if your reporting tags weren't screwed up by having two networks and one cart. Problem is our ID# were changed or the incent deals hijacked our cookies at the point of sale.

    Not rocket science when your overall affiliate sales go up but your cutting fewer checks and the majority of the commish goes to just a few players.

    "They (Buyersport) were made aware of the problem, and they informed me of a patch they are releasing in the next few days. The patch, I was told, will remove the code responsible for stealing links, which should end this."

    Your advised that they made that switching code in the first place just for the ability to steal affiliate commissions. So their response to trusting you will be our new release 2.4 no longer has the switching code. They then take no effort to force their 80 million current version P2P clients to upgrade and you believe your working with the good guys moving those MP3 players as you test ver 2.4. They always sucker greedy merchants with the line that your offers will popup at sites like Amazon, Barnes & Noble or Yahoo stores and ebay where you haven't paid those site owners a penny for exposure.

    What you don't realize is a huge amount of your customers with Morpheous -ShopNow -Gator -Limewire- Grokster etc etc Adwarez type www.overstock.com in the browser address bar or hit favorites and your company has to pay a commission on all resulting sales including your e-mail flyers regardless of the switching code. The moment you signed with them they monitized with their commission rate every single source of traffic to your URL...Tell Patrick Byrnes about that decision then duck.

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