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    I think I've reached the jaded point where ANY email from a merchant that doesn't have the phrase "increased commissions" or "longer cookies" is somehow a bad email!

    From American Blinds:

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    One issue that we need to make a quick mention is in regards to our Discount Code Policy. From time to time we use discount / coupon codes in our marketing materials. These discount codes are not to be used by any affiliate as we reserve the right to all discount codes and marketing material... Please ensure you don’t have an interruption in your affiliation.


    Does this mean they have coupons where customers can save money, but we affiliates can't tell our customers? That our customers have to pay full retail?

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    That is exactly what it means.
    They want your customer to join their email list or call for the codes. That way they can circumvent your commission.
    I would be very skeptical of that merchant...whoever it is.


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    Originally posted by scohaz:
    That is exactly what it means.
    They want your customer to join their email list or call for the codes. That way they can circumvent your commission.
    I would be very skeptical of that merchant...whoever it is.
    You are right,since this is the slow season, I started adding pre-holiday specials to all of the websites,those with "specials',or clearances,do 2 things, one, out of stock, 2.are out of funds, or were dropped by the affliate programs,3 years ago, I was dumb enough to put astrology.com from Linkshare ads in, now who is going to pay for their horoscope when they can get them free, online or the papers, I learned my lesson, if there isn't a market for it, forget it.We take a lot of time to think about who shops online, even with the merchants saving overhead and salaries,we feel seniors,teens, 2 working parent families, or without transportation, so, we set up their ads, and some are offline, or low on funds, like wheelchairs,stair lifts, etc.Even with a poor economy, and job slump here, in the USA, people still shop.That's my lousy nickle.
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    Originally posted by JAMES T. MONROE:
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    Originally posted by scohaz:
    That is exactly what it means.
    They want your customer to join their email list or call for the codes. That way they can circumvent your commission.
    I would be very skeptical of that merchant...whoever it is.
    You are right,since this is the slow season, I started adding pre-holiday specials to all of the websites,those with "specials',or clearances,do 2 things, one, out of stock, 2.are out of funds, or were dropped by the affliate programs,3 years ago, I was dumb enough to put astrology.com from Linkshare ads in, now who is going to pay for their horoscope when they can get them free, online or the papers, I learned my lesson, if there isn't a market for it, forget it.We take a lot of time to think about who shops online, even with the merchants saving overhead and salaries,we feel seniors,teens, 2 working parent families, or without transportation, so, we set up their ads, and some are offline, or low on funds, like wheelchairs,stair lifts, etc.Even with a poor economy, and job slump here, in the USA, people still shop.That's my lousy nickle.
    JJ
    I should ad,when I started using Verisgn for domain names, they came with several packages, including 38 search programs, which is fine,getting google, ads sense, ask jeeves, etc. is worht the extra expense, but somhow I aslo got Mamma media,along with it.They check out websties, give approvals, and then when you highlight, copy, blah,blah,blah, and check the ad, it's something altogether different,for example, one ad was supposed to be for monster job search, but turned out to be casinos online,everyone of them, were different, so when someone goes to look for a job, they get casinos online. I deleted them, thought you might want to know, also, they added over 180 parasites with it.This is worth another nickle.Trusting merchants,is like carrying 30 year old dynamite, it blows up in your face.
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    quote:
    I would be very skeptical of that merchant...whoever it is.


    American Blinds = "American Blinds, Wallpaper & More/decoratetoday.com"

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    somhow I aslo got Mamma media,


    Mamma Media looked fishy to me when I saw it--thanks for confirming that they're not good!
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    I weas more pissed with:
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    We’ve change our qualifying order from 1st purchase in 30 days to 1st purchase greater than $10 in 30 days – this eliminates the very small commissions from blind and wallpaper samples.


    It occurred to me, if you are asking for samples, it is taking time, i.e. a week to get it then time to look at it, compare it with other stuff, 30 days will pass very quickly and when they finally buy, they won't even give you the per centage from even the samples they purchased.

    If they wanted me to make a commission it should have been unlimited to begin with and since picking samples take time, (Guys be truthful, how long does it take your wives to pick a pattern?) they should increase the return days to at least 60 days.

    I don't know what I am going to do with these morons, they are the only big borders, wallpaper place on the net with an affiliate progrom that has a large selection of dog themed and cow themed wallpapers.

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    There is also a strange thing about this, besides saying
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    One issue that we need to make a quick mention is in regards to our Discount Code Policy. etc...


    They also say,
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    We’ve added a link to our “Hot Deals & Super Values”.
    So make up your mind, are you giving us discounts or not?

    Mike

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    A coupon code being different from price drops on certain products or deals on closeout items.

    I do think if merchants give out codes to their newsletter subscribers they should at least hook up their affiliates with something. Maybe a code for new customers or something like that. Some merchants don't mind if you post codes from newsletters and some do.

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    I was more pissed with:

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    We’ve change our qualifying order from 1st purchase in 30 days to 1st purchase greater than $10 in 30 days – this eliminates the very small commissions from blind and wallpaper samples.


    Yeah, me too! (I hadn't seen the email when I made my first post.)

    That's a totally blighted change from them. "Eliminating the very small commissions" by not paying for those items at all is NOT the ticket!
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    I've been complaining in cj mail and email for a few days now. (They replied to the cj mail, but not the email.) One of my big complaints was that if someone orders a sample, how long on average is the turnaround. I mean person has to click on my site, look around, (which isn't easy b/c product links are impossible and the search link is silly, since you have to know what you are looking for.) Anyway, I told them, if someone gets a sample it'll take more than 30 days regardless and I asked him to find out exactly how long on average it is between click to sample to purchase.

    But while I was on their site, I found this little nugget of information

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    Order a sample of this pattern for $5. Allow up to 2 weeks for delivery


    So it it takes 2 weeks to just get the sample, the odds of the purchase will be in less than 30 days seems mightly slim to me.

    Mike

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    I found a similar notice in Advertiser News CJ mail today:
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    I have recently discovered that some CJ affiliates are posting <MERCHANT> current email newsletter promotion of "$10 off your <MERCHANT> Purchase of $50 or More" on their website. Though I applaud your enterprise, I must request that this promotion not be included or promoted on any affiliates' website.
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    I saw that too, IRS.
    Once again, another way to one-up themselves and leave their affilates in the cold.

    I am almost of the opinion that anyone who offers coupons isn't worth working with because it always seems that those who offer them always have a better offer to make the customer if they subscribe, etc., which then dwarfs the offer you were making.

    It plants a seed in the customer's mind by you offering the coupon, then once they get to the merchant's site, they make them a better offer. You might get the sale today, but you will NOT get further sales because the merchant has now arranged it so the customer doesn't need you anymore.


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    I found a site that publishes coupon codes that definately aren't available to Linkshare affiliates.

    I started contacting people.

    Linkshare's stance: It's up to the merchant

    Merchant A: They get those codes from our Sunday circular. It's ok to post

    Merchant B: Just sign up for our newsletter and you'll get those codes that you're free to post on your site

    Merchant C: (This post) We offer better coupons elswhere, and you can't use them

    The networks need to standardize some rules, this would be one of them!!

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    Although it's frustrating, I don't think it's something that should be regulated by the networks. The good merchants will make sure that their affiliate channel has comparable coupons to other channels.
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    Just cross referencing these 2 threads for my own benefit - I always like to know what kind of AM I'm dealing with.

    http://abw.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tp...7436#322107436

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    Also, I just spoke with a new merchant at the network I despise (see my sig file).

    He sounds great. His terms are better.

    If you feel the need to dump American Blinds, check out Blinds.com at LS. The Am's name is Steve. He said I could promote Blinds.com by actually mentioning their name!! What a novel idea!

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    "I found a site that publishes coupon codes that definately aren't available to Linkshare affiliates."

    "The networks need to standardize some rules, this would be one of them!! "

    No. Merchants make the rules for their program. Just because you don't see a code available in the LS interface doesn't mean there are some out there for affiliate use.
    You already got your answers from your own post above:

    Linkshare's stance: It's up to the merchant

    Merchant A: They get those codes from our Sunday circular. It's ok to post

    Merchant B: Just sign up for our newsletter and you'll get those codes that you're free to post on your site

    You can get codes in the creative.
    Some merchants let you use codes from signing up from their newsletter. Good to ask first.
    Some merchants will make special codes for you in exchange for more exposure. Also goes for commission rates. You can negotiate that too. This is affiliate marketing, you can wheel and deal a little. Give the merchant some more exposure, sales etc. you can get better commission, codes etc.

    It's up to the merchant, they are in charge.

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    As with everything, what applies to one aff is different than another aff.

    IN MY CASE - I have over 1500 merchants - I don't even know who they are - no less how each feels about every affiliate issue.

    So IN MY CASE, knowing what the rules are, would be a benefit.

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    Again you got it with your first sentence.

    "So IN MY CASE, knowing what the rules are, would be a benefit. "

    Then that's what you need to do. There are terms where each merchant tells you the basics, cookie duration, commission etc. And any affiliate can email, phone the merchant and work out a better deal. Nothing wrong with that. It seems you keep looking at other sites and seeing deals or codes that aren't available in the LS interface/creative. So? They even gave you the answer:

    Linkshare's stance: It's up to the merchant

    Merchant A: They get those codes from our Sunday circular. It's ok to post

    Merchant B: Just sign up for our newsletter and you'll get those codes that you're free to post on your site

    And it still seems you're not satisfied, that you want what's available to be equal, standardized and you want the networks to handle that. Again merchants make the rules for their program and can offer what they want to who they want.

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    Trust, if you want to argue "In General" about stolen coupon codes (but you know we'll never agree on this one) can we do it back on our other post titled "Stolen Coupon Codes" at:

    http://abw.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tp...2815#911102815

    I'd like to try to keep this on topic about American Blinds tying our hands

    PS: When will you be updating "June Coupons: Post 'em Here" (I think soon as merchants see JUNE in the title they won't add any more)

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    Not talking about stolen, i'm talking about codes that merchants let affiliates use, reread you own posts. You call those stolen?

    If an affiliate asks a merchant if they have any codes that they can use and the merchant says, and i'll quote you again:

    "Merchant A: They get those codes from our Sunday circular. It's ok to post

    Merchant B: Just sign up for our newsletter and you'll get those codes that you're free to post on your site"

    The merchant is allowing the affiliate to get codes from the paper or newsletter, they are giving them permission to use them. Lots of merchants do this. Besides that a lot of them will make you codes with your site name, just have to ask. So just because you don't see them in the creative doesn't mean they are stolen.

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    Thanks for quoting me Trust.

    I stand behind my quotes: there should be a rule so I know what to expect

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    But there is a rule. The rule is: It's up to the merchants.

    I know that's not the answer you want, but that's the answer.
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    OK, lets say I go to my favorite stolen coupon code site

    I email the merchant and ask "Can I use the same coupon codes - that aren't available thru linkshare - that this guy is using, since my customers would prefer the 20% off coupon that he offers rather than the Free Shipping on $100+ orders I get thru linkshare

    And the merchant never responds to my emails

    What do I do?

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    I always just use them unless or until the merchant tells me not to. The merchants who don't allow you to promote coupon codes are relatively rare. The majority of merchants allow you to.
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