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    Hi,

    I am starting a new affiliate program and am trying to decide whether we should use CJ or Kowabunga (MYAP).

    Kowabunga is much less expensive, they seem more eager to make a sale, and even offer a "recruitment package" where they will recruit super affiliates for us through e-mail and by telephone.

    I have several concerns and I'm interested in hearing from both CJ affiliates and merchant on what you think about:

    1. I am concerned that by not going with CJ we will be limiting our reach of getting affiliates (it seems like they have a very large network). For example, if we go with Kowabunga, how do we get in contact with CJ affiliates to recruit them? It seems like we might be at a disadvantage?

    2. With either CJ or Kowabunga, I am concerned about how we can recruit good affiliates (i.e. affiliates that actually make sales). If you were just starting out as a merchant, what would your list of *must* advertise in places be to recruit affiliates? I am aware of the advertising options at ABestWeb and plan on using all of them. However, aside from ABestWeb, can you list all the other places you'd advertise as well?

    3. As an affiliate, do you prefer to work with one network over another (e.g. CJ over Kowabunga or vice versa?) Or, is the network the merchant uses not that important to you?

    I appreciate your guidance and feedback.

    Gary

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    cj for consolidated payment

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    Gary... welcome to ABW...

    The way you pose your question reminds me
    of the old lawyers trick that leads to a no win answer...

    On the stand and under oath the witness is asked...
    “Do you still beat your wife”... Please answer Yes or No..
    Even if he never touched his wife... The poor sap is screwed
    no matter how he answers... Yes means he’s dead in the water.
    No insinuates that he used to but doesn’t any longer... No win.

    My point is, neither of these is your best choice...

    CJ is still seriously beset with parasite problems... and then some.
    Kowabunga also has problems in this area as well as several
    other areas... do a search here and elsewhere and decide for
    yourself on that one... I won’t comment on it any further...

    Your best option, in my opinion, is Share A Sale...

    Low cost... Good results... Anti-Parasite... and...
    If you check out the past posts on this board and others, you’ll
    find that... most people here trust and respect Share A Sale...
    and Brian Littleton and the stance that he has taken on parasites...

    Speaking only for myself and my company I will say this...
    We no longer promote any merchants on Commission Junction.
    We dropped them all as the network went from bad to worse...
    I think you’ll find that several other affiliates here feel the same way.

    The vast majority of our profits come from Share A Sale and
    Independent programs... They have consolidated payments and
    direct deposit, two things that are very important to us...

    If you’re looking for low cost and good performance...
    I recommend Share A Sale... I know that this was not part
    of your question but... I’m just trying to help...
    FWIW

    Bob

    By the way, I could put a SAS link here with my affiliate ID but I won’t...
    <Font size="1" color="99000">Never doubt anybody's word for anything... but... Always double check everything... - Grandpa</font>

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    There is no network that is good at all areas.

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    Vrindavan... interesting supposition...

    Other than being a smaller network that has to try harder
    just to compete and keep up with the “big boys”...

    Please point out to me exactly where Share A Sale comes
    up short in any of these “areas” you are talking about...

    We have dropped all CJ merchants, almost all Linkshare
    merchants, and we’re presently weeding out the Performics
    merchants that we have found to be either parasitic, or seem
    to be turning a blind eye to the overwriting of affiliate
    cookies... and there are quite a few them on each of these
    networks... we have found none on Share A Sale... so far...

    So please help me out here... where does SAS come up
    short in these areas? If we’re missing something...
    I’d really like to know...

    Bob
    <Font size="1" color="99000">Never doubt anybody's word for anything... but... Always double check everything... - Grandpa</font>

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    I like SAS as well. Back it up with a good program and communication on ABW for better results. Put up a lot of product links and maybe a datafeed for those who want it, and make your presense known. I'm just a smalltime affiliate, but I really don't like wading through all the menus at the bigtime networks. I like the simplicity of SAS, and even though it's been getting more and more advanced in my 10 months at affiliate marketing, it's still a breeze to use. I just hope more of the bigger companies make the move to SAS.
    I forgot what I was doing.

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    Hi Bob

    my statement does not refer to any known SAS weakness, if there are some.

    you could view my statement as to balance off your bad view points towords all the other networks except SAS.

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    Hi,

    Thank you for your replies. One point -- I notice each of you missed this question:

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    If you were just starting out as a merchant, what would your list of *must* advertise in places be to recruit affiliates? I am aware of the advertising options at ABestWeb and plan on using all of them. However, aside from ABestWeb, can you list all the other places you'd advertise as well?

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    Any thoughts?

    Gary

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    affiliate program directories
    Revenue Magazine

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    I vote for Kowabunga!

    Cj is very bad, sometimes it record every second or third sale in my affiliate area...

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    I like CJ. Consolidated payments, right on time.

    quote:
    If you were just starting out as a merchant, what would your list of *must* advertise in places be to recruit affiliates? I am aware of the advertising options at ABestWeb and plan on using all of them. However, aside from ABestWeb, can you list all the other places you'd advertise as well?



    Hm, that's a toughie, since I just look in the CJ interface for new merchants!

    But I suppose I'd hit the affiliate marketing directories and the boards. Also some well-placed AdWords, targeted toward those looking for "[your niche/product line] affiliate program" might do nicely.

    I have looked at some directories in the past out of curiosity, and saw very ancient listings on a few of them. Make sure to aim for directories that are actually alive (as in, all the programs they mention still exist)...
    There is no knowledge that is not power. ~Hemingway

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    If you choose Kowabunga,
    you need to do much more advertsing on
    your own to promote the program.

    Advertsing is advertising,
    willingness to join is another matter.

    i am really sick of getting/not getting
    individual commission check.

    Use paypal or similar if you can

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