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    Affiliate Marketing Consultant Andy Rodriguez's Avatar
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    Hello Team,

    Just a quick note to let you know that as part of my consulting and program management services for my clients, you may be getting an email from me inviting you to join a particular program.

    Please don't consider it as spam...it's a recruiting email.

    Most of my clients are entering their second month of consulting and program management and during this second month i do extensive competitive analysis in their vertical.

    The first month i take the time to be sure everything is set up right, all is being tracked correctly, making sure we have all our ducks in a row...

    During the second month, I use several methods of research to find out who the potential partners may be for any one of my clients, if you are on the Search Engine radar, you may get an invitation email, a phone call or both inviting you to join one or all of my programs.

    It's smart business and everyone wins...

    You may not be aware of the opportunity to earn extra revenue, you may not be aware of all of my clients that may be a match for your site...some may not be on ABW.

    Please don't take it as spam, it's not and you will only recieve one invitation to join...make sure you take advantage of it and make some money....

    You can also sign up for my newsletter on my website and receive special offers and invites to join certain merchants.

    Thank you all....

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    [This message was edited by Andy Rodriguez on November 14, 2003 at 09:22 AM.]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> if you are on the Search Engine radar, you may get an invitation email <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That's SPAM. Unsolicited emails are SPAM.

    An argument could be made that you crossed into a 'gray' area with the last round of emails. The method you describe here is a red area. SPAM, period.

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    Chief_Beef,

    Maybe I am missing something here...
    I don't see how finding a site on a PUBLIC search engine that would be a good match for your affiliate program and inviting them to join you and try to help them make more money is spamming them.

    How else does a person recruit new affiliates? Just kick back and then hope that they stumble onto your site?

    If I do a search on a SE and find a good vitamin related site and contact them is that considered spam?

    It is not like harvesting emails and then using bulk software and sending out mass untargetted emails.

    If I am missing something just let me know

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    Affiliate Marketing Consultant Andy Rodriguez's Avatar
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chief_Beef:
    An argument could be made that you crossed into a 'gray' area with the last round of emails. The method you describe here is a red area. SPAM, period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Chief Beef,

    I will be sure to remove the sites that i know you own....

    but i'm sure that most affiliates that are into making money would appreciate a one time invitation to have an opportunity to learn about a program that may increase their bottom line.

    I'm not sending out penis enlargment pills, breast enhancers or other unrelated crap - i'm sending out an invitation email, targeted to your website, to your traffic that you already have. It is related to you, to your business.

    This is a pratice that has been around for centuries in the brinck and mortar world. If you are a business, act like a business, work with my competitors, I and anyone else has every right to call on you, email you, write you or knock on your door and try and take the business away. Business 101. How do you think advertising works?

    Cavemen knocked on other caves to upgrade owners to a bigger and better caves.....sheesh

    If I do a search on Google, I see that you are promoting a competitor to one of my clients, I owe it to my client, to myself and to you to let you know of somebody else you could be earning money from...

    I would be a terrible affiliate manager if i couldn't recruit other affiliates into my programs...

    I didn't grow a 1.6 MM affiliate program in 2 years by waiting until everyone came knocking on my door...

    I'd be interested in hearing other affiliates viewpoints on this topic....

    "Would you want to be contacted by a merchant to join his/her affiliate program?"

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    I am one that does not mind getting emails like this. Emails of this type is a business trying to help my business grow which means more $$ in my pocket if I decide to act on it. If I don't want to join, I do have a delete button I can push.

    I look at spams as being someone trying to sell me something from sites that I've never been to or signed up on as an individual person. But a business email does not fall into this category as far as I'm concerned.

    My websites are run as a business and I expect other businesses that think they can help me grow to contact me. Like you said Andy, this is just like brick and mortar stores only with a brick and mortar business, salesmen that are wanting you to carry their products walk in or call instead of sending emails. Having an internet business is no different.

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    Andy,

    I haven't been on the 'radar' yet from you but just so you know, I'm perfectly ok getting that kind of email. It's about the same as asking for link exchanges and heaven knows we all do that. (shameless plug for anyone wanting to exchange)

    Anyway, I'm behind you on this one.

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    I wouldn't mind getting an email like this at all, I would even appreciate it knowing Andy, but that doesn't change the fact that some people will consider it Unsolicited Commercial email aka UCE or more know as Spam.

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    If people really consider this type of marketing to be spam, then we really need a new definition. I object to getting dozens of emails about things that are completely irrelevant to my needs, but a single email from someone offering something that may be of interest is something I want.

    I really cannot understand how someone could object to this type of marketing.

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    Since when is contacting someone in order to generate business a bad thing? It's what makes the world go around people.

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    Linda, Swampy and Javi -

    Thank you, i am being selective and my merchants are approving the sites being invited to join their program. This is not a 10,000 untargeted email drop to random emails selling remote controlled toy cars...

    I know some people, not too business savvy will see this as UCE, I include a "PS" at the bottom of the email explaining what it is, and that it is a one time invitation and that they will not be contacted again.

    Anyone more thoughts ??

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    I get hundreds of spam mails each day

    I don't particularly mind - I scan them , and if I don't know who they're from, I delete them on mass.

    If I see Andy's name, or anyone else's I've come to respect, I read it.

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    FWIW, in a survey I am conducting, 34.4% of affiliates have responded that they find out about and join affiliate programs from affiliate managers e-mailing them.

    I disagree that this sort of e-mail would fall into the category of spam.

    For anybody who sees this as spam, would you also consider it spam when I contact another company to inquire about working together on a co-sponsored promotion?

    It's an unsolicited contact, after all. But like Andy's effort, it's a targeted effort to make a business partnership.

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    I receive emails asking me to join a program every now and then. I do not see an email like this as SPAM if it comes to the email address listed in the site or has been sent using email form in the site. Email which comes to a catch-all address even if there is a real address listed in the site probably is SPAM. If someone invites me to join their program, I always reply if the program is relevant to me.

    I posted a message at the LS thread about 1800Patches SPAM. That was SPAM because I received 5 emails in 15 minutes each going to webmaster, info, sale etc. addresses. None of these addresses were real. I am already their affiliate and even generated 5 sales the same day.

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    is the many daily emails that come regarding dating or mortages or mlm or body part enlargement, etc.

    A one time email regarding an oppurtunity in the field of business that I am in is certainly legit and appreciated here.

    Andy thanks for doing your job.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ronWLS:
    Andy thanks for doing your job.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thanks Ron, comments like your are always appreciated...

    BTW, all of you can sign up to my newsletter and get monthly updates and program notices...the form is on my site..

    Thank you all again....

    It appears that the only real "beef" here is...well...we'll leave it at that...

    Let's all make some money !!

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    Having someone contacting you regarding a product in a field that you are actively marketing in would, in my opinion, be considered very relevant to your business.

    While I agree, getting a blanket offer to promote Viagra on a site about classic cars would be way off the mark, if an AM took the time to research your site, find your conatct info, and send you a personal request to evaluate their program (which matches your site's demographic) and your SPAM sensitivity setting goes off, you may need to rethink your business model.

    After all, if you owned a car dealership, would you call the cops every time a salesman came in to pitch you this or that new product to increase your bottom line? Or would you simply say "NO thanks" and send him on his way?

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    Thanks Andy,

    At least you ask not like so many emails that goes in everyones inbox don't even ask.

    I wouldn't mind at all getting email from you if it has to do with my site and helping us improve our income!

    As always you work hard and giving affiliate a chance to make more income. Thank you!

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    I have 8000 e-mail addresses of people who are known to be Pagans and therefore might very well be interested in knowing about my Pagan shopping sites. I know the products they need and buy. So, would this be spam according to the criteria above? If so, what is the difference? Brick and mortor stores certainly contact people who are potentially interested in their products.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

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    When you do not take care not to send them to people who YOU KNOW have made it VERY CLEAR in the past that they have NO INTEREST in doing business with you, then what is it called?

    It is not a "one-time contact". There was a "previous time" and the pattern being established here seems to suggest that there will be a "next time". If it's not SPAM, then there's got to be some other not-nice word for it.

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    Anywho, I just automatically delete all such email unopened as I am sure most otheres do.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    Not Spam!

    Andy is obviously matching a site with a program he is managing to attempt to boost earnings for both symbiotically!

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    This is not SPAM at all.

    In the Brick & Mortar world it is known as "COLD CALLING" a perfectly acceptable marketing process.

    char_paula

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    Chief_Beef - I agree this is not spam, Most companies send them a one invitation, and if the person they email tells them that they don't want to be included and or want them to remove and Andy doesn't listen and emails Chief_Beef repeatly then it's called spam. I like Andys Invitations and I have no problem with being contact about how I can boost revenue and make a difference to someone who may be interested.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by charpaula:
    This is not SPAM at all.

    In the Brick & Mortar world it is known as "COLD CALLING" a perfectly acceptable marketing process.

    char_paula<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by charpaula:
    In the Brick & Mortar world it is known as "COLD CALLING" a perfectly acceptable marketing process.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This is exactly right. The contact is made based on the researched focus of the company (the affiliate business in this case) based on the success of the caller with similar businesses. e.g. you do business with manufacturer A and help increase his productivity with a given product or service, you then call on non-customer, manufacturer B that works in the same basic business and use your knowledge to help his business as well. So it is not really a "cold-call" as in, "Hi, I know nothing about your business, but I want to sell you something" but rather an informed call that is likely to help the callee rather than waste their time. It is far different than the real spam pushing this or that in volume with no prior thought as to whether the affiliate has similar products or not.

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