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    came across this site http://www.amazoncoupons.com/ while working. If this is against your trademark, shouldn't they have to take the site down? And it is really unfair that due to this domain, DealCatcher is able to take advantage of the traffic from this site. Especially since the domain http://www.amazoncoupons.com/ is registered to Dan Baxter at DealCatcher. So basically although he can't put Amazon deals on the domain http://www.amazoncoupons.com/ he is still able to redirect visitors to his affiliate links.

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    Interesting. Since DealCatcher does not actually have any Amazon content, logos or links to Amazon AND it disclaims itself as being affiliated with Amazon it is a technical loophole.

    I doubt there is a thing that could be done, unless it could be considered CyberSquatting and Amazon could press it on that basis....However, remember that the word Amazon is related to other things such as the jungle region of Souther American...henceforth it looks like he has complied with them.

    Tricky, tricky, eh?

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    Wow. Something happened, and fast, to the site.

    It now says:

    Due to trademark issues with Amazon.com, Inc. Amazon Coupons can no longer run from the domain AmazonCoupons.com. However, you can visit DealCatcher.com for 100's of Amazon coupons, coupon codes, free shipping offers, book coupons, music coupons, toy coupons and more.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by parentsworld:
    Wow. Something happened, and fast, to the site.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I first saw this site a month or so again, and I swear it said exactly what you quoted. Is this "disclaimer" really new?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Survey Man:
    Interesting. Since DealCatcher does not actually have any Amazon content, logos or links to Amazon AND it disclaims itself as being affiliated with Amazon it is a technical loophole.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    DealCatcher does have links to Amazon, in several of their categories.

    The disclaimer on http://www.amazoncoupons.com/ means nothing, because they are still redirecting the visitors to DealCatcher's Amazon Affiliate links. They are kind of using http://www.amazoncoupons.com/ as a doorway page.

    I did get a reply back from Amazon that it is a direct violation of their trademark policy.

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    Actually Amazon contacted us a few weeks ago about the domain. I wrote them back and never heard back from them since. It really bothers me that Amazon is going to claim every domain with the word amazon it it. A similar thing happened to Pud from ****edcompany.com. He was running amazonscan.com and they forced him to rename it to junglescan.com. However, amazonscan.com is still a doorway to junglescan. I don't see how this is diffrent then AmazonCoupons.com. By the way the domain received very little traffic. The most it received was 15 visitors in one day..

    [This message was edited by dealcatcher on January 28, 2003 at 05:35 PM.]

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    Amazon's agreement also disallows domains like http://amazon.coupons-coupon-codes.com/ if you notice amazon.coupons-coupon-codes.com comes up at the top of google.. This is really no diffrent then amazoncoupons.com. However, it looks like amazon.com had them remove it, and now the domain now it simply redirects to coupons-coupon-codes.com...

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    I think the parasites really have us turning on each other. Tattling on each other.
    Makes me

    Its not hard to find 69000 examples of Amazon TOS violations.

    I guess the parasites really are winning...

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    I just heard back from Amazon. Basically, they said we could keep the domain amazoncoupons.com up for one year with a simple statement and redirect to dealcatcher.com.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dealcatcher:
    I don't see how this is diffrent then AmazonCoupons.com.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Great to see you on here, DealCatcher! I've gotta hand it to you--I wish I had the domain AmazonCoupons.com!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dealcatcher:
    It really bothers me that Amazon is going to claim every domain with the word amazon it it.[This message was edited by dealcatcher on January 28, 2003 at 05:35 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I agree...shouldn't Amazon.com allowed to trademark 'AMAZON.COM' but not the common word 'AMAZON'? I thought I remmember reading somewhere that companies cannot trademark common words. It's why Coors Brewing named their 'ICE' beer ARTIC ICE instead of ARCTIC ICE. Something about not being able to trademark ARCTIC ICE because it was a common word grouping. Wouldn't it be the same with Amazon?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I agree...shouldn't Amazon.com allowed to trademark 'AMAZON.COM' but not the common word 'AMAZON'? I thought I remmember reading somewhere that companies cannot trademark common words. It's why Coors Brewing named their 'ICE' beer ARTIC ICE instead of ARCTIC ICE. Something about not being able to trademark ARCTIC ICE because it was a common word grouping. Wouldn't it be the same with Amazon?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The difference is usage. For instance if you put up a site about the Amazon rainforest, you'd be fine to register amazonrainforest.com. But when you register amazon-whatever.com in reference to online shopping or anything related, its a very clearcut trademark infringement on Amazon.com's branding.

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    It just gets frustrating when you have merchants on your back all the time telling you not to do things, telling you to change your listings, take down a code, etc and then you see your competitors doing those things you aren't supposed to do.

    It isn't tattling, it is trying to keep the playing field fair.

    And thanks to all the parasite issues, I do tend to be a bit more defensive. I am tired of others having unfair advantage.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TI Master:
    The difference is usage. For instance if you put up a site about the Amazon rainforest, you'd be fine to register amazonrainforest.com. But when you register amazon-whatever.com in reference to online shopping or anything related, its a very clearcut trademark infringement on Amazon.com's branding.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    ...that clarifies it a tad. But someone CAN register Amazon-Sucks.com &lt; curiosity got the best of me...it IS registered &gt;?!

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    Connie,

    You're right,
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It just gets frustrating when you have merchants on your back all the time telling you not to do things, telling you to change your listings, take down a code, etc a<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Though I suspect that in many cases the reason for this is someone else who "tattled," to use my original choice of wording, on you... Having received a few of those notices myself, maybe I'm bitter. I try to live and let live, as far as site content goes, though it is unfair when people cheat..and a lot of people do. its really frustrating.. lots of people here even..

    I just wish the non-parasitic affiliates could all work together instead of against each other which seems to happen a lot of times.

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    &gt;I thought I remmember reading somewhere that
    &gt;companies cannot trademark common words.

    Not correct.

    Coke is de-gassed coal. Coke is trademarkable in other areas, but not for it's dictionary definition.

    You could trademark "wanker" as a line of clothing, or a brand of fishing rod, but that gives the TM owner no rights to stop people calling me one*.

    TM's were devised to protect THE PUBLIC from cheap rip-offs of products being produced and sold by people other than the original manufacturer.

    *Regularly, I might add.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You could trademark "wanker" as a line of clothing, or a brand of fishing rod, but that gives the TM owner no rights to stop people calling me one*.

    *Regularly, I might add.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    "I don't like this cat...he reads minds!" - Sid the Sloth

    Just kidding...I never even thought of calling you a 'wanker'...not at least until you brought it up!

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    I have to agree with Connie on this subject. Webmasters who live out on the edge, and push everything to the very limit of being legal and ethical are doing all of us a disservice.

    Sites that trap visitors with multiple pop-ups, disable the back button, copy another's design or content, or attempt to trick the end user in some way bring this industry down.

    And it only takes a few to cause problems. I don't view it as tattling on someone, I see it as doing your part to keep the affiliate industry reputable and a good reliable source on the best places to buy cool stuff.

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    Have to agree with Andy and Connie on this one. I know I've tattled when a competitor has posted an unauthorized coupon and I've even emailed webmasters specifically when they've posted one exclusively given to me. On the flip side, if I know Connie has an exclusive, I won't post it.

    I believe in fair competition and hijacking a domain simply for the purposes of redirecting is a bit shady. Imagine the flack if I bought a domain http://www.dealcatchercoupons.com...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It just gets frustrating when you have merchants on your back all the time telling you not to do things, telling you to change your listings, take down a code, etc and then you see your competitors doing those things you aren't supposed to do.

    It isn't tattling, it is trying to keep the playing field fair.

    And thanks to all the parasite issues, I do tend to be a bit more defensive. I am tired of others having unfair advantage.

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    Connie, I could not agree with this statement more! I think the worst merchant about this is staples. I used to get emails from Karin all the time about coupons and links in our forums. I agree how frustrating it is to be in 100% compliance with their terms, then if you click on a competitor, you see 10 staples coupons or codes that are not authorized. However, they do nothing about it. My question is, if they don't act on their emails, why should we all stay in compliance? If site X is posting an unauthorized coupon and gets emailed about it and ignored it, why are they not dropped from the affiliate program like they threaten!

    Dealcatcher- I clicked through that link you put up there:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> http://amazon.coupons-coupon-codes.com/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    and it automatically redirected me to
    http://www.coupons-coupon-codes.com/amazon/ which seems to be the same site as www.dailyedeals.com (look at the bottom of the page where it says more amazon coupons)

    On a google search of amazon coupon, this guy has 3 of the top 6 spots.

    Guess I should start bringing up "sister sites" like this also since it doesn't seem to be an issue with google.. I guess we all are going to have to lower or morals and ethics in order to compete with things like this.

    http://www.ahugedeal.com

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    Sounds like the legit coupon pushers are adopting the morals and ethics of the Duper BHO coupon pushers.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EcomCity.com:
    Sounds like the legit coupon pushers are adopting the morals and ethics of the Duper BHO coupon pushers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Be careful that you don't lump all of us in the same group.

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    Wow, nothing positive from him. Big surprise.

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    re coupons-coupon-codes.com
    Yup, they are big SE spammers. They will eventually get caught and lose their rankings, probably. There used to be someone else who had the top 3 for the same query, I won't say the site since they post on ABW, but, it seems like its nowhere to be found now. Be careful...

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    What the...?

    I just got a nasty email from a merchant telling me that coupons-coupon-codes.com is publishing illegal coupons using my affiliate number and that I need to remove them right away. Aside from the stupidity of the merchant in not actually checking to see if I own those sites, what benefit does the owner get by posting coupons with my aff ID?

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